Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pro Wrestling Federation of Pakistan

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The result was delete (see discussion at User talk:Anthony Appleyard#Time to close AFD)Anthony Appleyard (talk) 14:23, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pro Wrestling Federation of Pakistan

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This wrestling promotion does not appear to meet WP:NORG. All the sources in the article are either self-published or based on press releases, and I'm not finding anything better through Google. I note that the article creator is a blocked sock who has previously tried to promote non-notable Pakistani wrestling content. I am also nominating all articles in Category:Pro Wrestling Federation of Pakistan, which are even less notable than the parent organization:

– Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 03:54, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 03:54, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Wrestling-related deletion discussions. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 03:54, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 03:54, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment One of these must be the pro wrestling outfit and must be kept. So which one is it? scope_creep^Talk 07:50, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Scope creep: What do you mean it must be kept? – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 14:06, 3 April 2021
@Lord Bolingbroke: Well one of them will the pro league for that country and should be coverage for that league and there should be an attempt to find references for it. scope_creep^Talk 14:27, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't follow your thinking. Just because the organization has "pro" in its name does not mean it is automatically notable. I did attempt to find references, and all I came across were blogs, press releases, and self-published material. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 14:35, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yip, that could be the problem. Is it a new sport across there? If it is, it will probably need some sportsman/expert type who can separate the wheat from the chaff. I don't know enough about it, but I'm sure one must be recognized in the country as the usual professional league. I would be surprised if there wasn't some kind of professional league. It might not be in this list. scope_creep^Talk 14:50, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
PWFP Ultimate Championship, PWFP World Heavyweight Championship, and PWFP World Wrestling Champions are all championships within the Pro Wrestling Federation of Pakistan. They are not different leagues, as you seem to be suggesting. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 15:17, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at the history of these articles, you will see they were all created by the same sock. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 15:18, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 10:30, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting article about a federation that I never heard of I must say. I must check this out before I vote. Davidgoodheart (talk) 06:09, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, after reading through this article I now see that it is a successful wrestling federation in Pakistan, and surely is viable as well. Davidgoodheart (talk) 21:49, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Davidgoodheart: Can you explain how this wrestling federation meets WP:NORG? According to the pro wrestling WikiProject, that is the standard that wrestling organizations need to meet to be notable. As it stands, this !vote does nothing to show this federation's notability. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 02:39, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Lord Bolingbroke: It says it is featured worldwide, that's notable to me. Davidgoodheart (talk) 02:41, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Source? This article was created by a blocked sockpuppet and is full of unsourced and promotional claims. Taking the article's claims at face value as an indication of notability is ridiculous. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 02:46, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I may change my stance in a bit depending on how the voting goes. Davidgoodheart (talk) 02:52, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nosebagbear (talk) 23:07, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Seems to be a fairly notable fed at least in Pakistan, and unless I’m missing something, we have pages for the specific championships which aren’t up for debate? Copper1993 (talk) 02:20, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
They are. I bundled them with this AfD. Do you really think that fewer than 8k followers on Facebook and 2k followers on YouTube is "fairly notable"? Regardless, your comment doesn't present a policy-based reason to keep, namely how this federation meets WP:NORG. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 02:28, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Non-notable organisation, a single piece in The News based on a media announcement (so press release based coverage) doth not WP:GNG pass, let alone WP:ORG. Also take on board that the articles were created by an indeffed user. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 05:47, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:43, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.