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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Michael I of Romania. No real notability apart from her father. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:41, 31 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Princess Maria of Romania

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Not notable, deposed monarchy cruft, contested prod.

This person is not and never has been a real princess, as she was born after Romania became a republic. The article content is mostly trivia. The general precedent is that we do not treat alleged princesses in deposed royal families as inherently notable, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chantal, Princess of Hanover and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Monika Princess of Hanover. PatGallacher (talk) 21:22, 12 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Jimbo speaketh in agreement. Bearian (talk) 16:16, 13 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure what "Clutters our files" means here. (We have over 660,000 BLPs so a few dozen for deposed royals won't make much difference.) All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 23:08, 15 May 2014 (UTC).
That is a classic example of an argument to avoid in deletion discussions, see WP:NOHARM. Also, there is more here than a few dozen articles of doubtful notability, there is a degree of monarchist bias by treating members of deposed royal families as having the same notability as if they had not been deposed. PatGallacher (talk) 22:38, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep, I think this person might have received some coverage from reliable sources [1]. Valoem talk contrib 20:44, 13 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - rename if necessary Firstly everyone is a real princess (or prince - or frog), that is a given. Secondly there appears to be Wikipedia notability. Thirdly there is the option to merge to a sensible target. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 21:44, 13 May 2014 (UTC).
  • Merge per WP:NOTINHERITED: her only claim to notability appears to be that she's the youngest daughter of a deposed monarch. --Carnildo (talk) 01:29, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Romania-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:16, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:16, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:16, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, nothing to merge here, article had virtually no meaningful sourced content anyway. Obviously non-notable (the only thing that's sourced about her is that "Order" she got recently, which isn't a "national honour" as the article presented it, but a private family-internal matter. Article says nothing about her having ever done anything in particular, let alone anything that would make her notable. Biographic trivia content was entirely unsourced. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:15, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply I am not strongly opposed to this being reduced to a redirect to her father, ex-king Michael of Romania. However in the previous cases listed by Bearia I think there was a fairly consistent outcome, we do treat princesses etc. in actually reigning royal families as notable, but supposed princesses in deposed royal families are not notable. The Hohenzollern Princess Maria mentioned was a slightly contentious borderline case, but with her the articles defenders were arguing that there were some factors which made her slightly more notable than most deposed monarchy cruft. PatGallacher (talk) 17:01, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, I see the arguments for deleting, but I think there is level of notability.--Codrin.B (talk) 09:16, 15 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Relisting comment: Please, especially if you vote keep, provide an extensive argumentation. So far there are more keep votes but the delete argumentation is stronger.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:01, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ymblanter (talk) 07:01, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as passes GNG. →Davey2010→→Talk to me!→ 22:45, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge Many of the pages here on historical nobility and royalty include a Family or Marriages and Children section which is used to comprehensively list the children of the noble or royal individual. Those who are notable in their own right get their pages linked there, others are just a name in a list. I see no reason why this should be any different. The limited data about this individual that I see on the page could easily be included in her parent's page. 1bandsaw (talk) 20:58, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. There's no chance at passing WP:BIO with the sources now cited in the article, which amount to a passing mention in a local American newspaper and nothing else recognizable as a reliable source. Inherent notability as an office-holder is out of the question, because the office attributed to her does not exist, given that Romania is no longer a monarchy.  Sandstein  19:06, 30 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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