Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prince Pedro Carlos of Orléans-Braganza

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The result was delete. Sandstein 11:53, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Prince Pedro Carlos of Orléans-Braganza

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The article about him was deleted from Wikipedia in Portuguese. He is not notable because the Brazilian imperial throne does not exist any more since 1889 (and that's one of the reasons the article about the succession to the Brazilian throne was deleted. In 1993 people voted the possibility of changing the form and system of Government in Brazil to Monarchy or Parlamentarism and the result was that the vast majority of Brazilians did not want to change them that after more than 100 years of Republican Democracy. In Brazil, monarchist movements are very weak. The Brazilian imperial family has basically zero political power after more than 100 years that the throne does not exist. That is the reason why articles about them are frequently deleted from Wikipedia in Portuguese: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 (AfDs Wikipedia in Portuguese). Nowadays members of the imperial family are basically normal people, most of them are not even close to be celebrities. In addition to these, most of the sources on the article are actually not about him, they are mostly about his father, the imperial family, or his son.) Bolhones (talk) 14:05, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Brazil-related deletion discussions. Bolhones (talk) 14:07, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Bolhones (talk) 14:07, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Covered by a range of reliable sources and so notable. The deletion policies and decisions on the Portuguese Wikipedia are not binding here and decisions about deleting other articles on the English Wikipedia also don't bind decisions in this case (see Wikipedia:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST). Greenshed (talk) 14:12, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Greenshed "Covered by a range of reliable sources" Have you read the sources? Most of them are not even about him. Wikipedia:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST does not apply to this case because the article from Wikipedia in Portuguese was deleted per "lack of Notability and WP:GNG" which also applies here since there is no significant coverage of independent reliable secondary sources. Bolhones (talk) 14:26, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Royalty and nobility-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:40, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. None of the refs in the article provide SIGCOV; in fact, most of them don't even mention him and just contain contextual info on his family. He doesn't seem to even want monarchic attention, given he all but stated he voted for the republic in the '90s plebiscite. JoelleJay (talk) 01:16, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment about the sources:

1 It's about his father, nothing about him.
2 Pedro Carlos, the great grand son of princess Isabel and his wife visited a museum.
3 It's about the imperial family, nothing about him.
4 (archived) Prince Pedro Carlos was selling objects from the imperial family.
5 It's about his father, nothing about him.
6 It's about the imperial family, nothing about him.
7 It's about the imperial family, nothing about him.
8 Prince Pedro Carlos was selling an object from the imperial family
9 (archived) Pedro Carlos, was responsible for a property fom the imperial family. The newspaper try to contact the prince to ask why part of that proprty was transformed into a parking lot.
10 Pedro Carlos is interviewed and says that "I believe we are republicans because we have to adapt to reality and that our family is respected for working hard". He said that he had to work harder to honor his family name.
11 It's about his son, nothing about him.
13 (archived). Pedro Carlos and his sister Cristina lived in the Grão Pará Palace. The news os about his son (Pedro Thiago), who stole her dishes.
The only source which is not available online is #12. The title indicates that it is some news about his son ("Police raid hideout near Rio and liberate a teen Prince").

In conclusion: The sources either do not mention him or mention very little information about him. Bolhones (talk) 01:44, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The article titled "In Rio de Janeiro’s Museu Nacional Fire, Brazil Lost More than Just the Items on Display. Aside from the troves within it, the building's museum itself was a treasure" by Mitchell Owens (5 September 2018) in Architectural Digest - see https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/rio-de-janeiro-museu-nacional-fire-brazil-lost-more-than-jsut-the-items-on-display - mentions that the "Palácio do Grão-Pará, in Pétropolis, ... is the home of Prince Pedro-Carlos of Orléans-Braganza, a forest engineer who might be emperor if the monarchy hadn’t been overthrown". Living in and owning a palace seems noteworthy to me. I'll try and dig out some more references. Greenshed (talk) 16:03, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Noteworthy != wiki-notable. Plenty of people live in and own palaces, doing so is not inherently notable. JoelleJay (talk) 18:34, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete seems to garner occasional passing mention but no significant coverage, so not notable. I think here we take our lead from pt.wiki. Agricolae (talk) 20:49, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Also mentioned at [1] which describes how Pedro Carlos is not interested in becoming Emperor of Brazil. Greenshed (talk) 17:35, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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