Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PMS Clan

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. -- ( drini's page ☎ ) 07:24, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pms clan

Was speedy deleted under WP:CSD A7 (non-notable gorup of people), and undelted as per a discussion at Deletion review. Completing nomination as per consensus on Deletion Review. DES ^(talk) 19:47, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete unless notability better established through verifiable sources. DES ^(talk) 19:47, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Refernces now establish limited buut adaquete notablity, IMO Weak keep. DES ^(talk) 23:25, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I can't understand why it didn't fit in db-club. -- Mikeblas 20:02, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Looks unnoteworthy. Regardless does not warrant a page of it's own. Meekohi 20:21, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per DES. PJM 20:23, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the original speedy was probably justified Segv11 ^{(talk/contribs)} 20:51, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, per Segv11 -Rebelguys2 22:34, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and cleanup. While I generally believe most gaming clubs are not notable, most gaming clubs do not have potential sources like these:
- Jo Twist (14 February 2005). "Girl gamers who shoot first, love later". BBC News.
- Janelle Brown (1997-02-05). "All-Girl Quake Clans Shake Up Boys' World". Wired News.
- "Girl Gamers are back in town!". BBC. 17 August 2005.

Please note that none of these sources are within the mainstream gaming community, this would seem to indicate notability extending to the general population. --Allen3 ^talk 23:05, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep per Allen3. Unsure overall, and I don't like the idea of gaming clans getting articles, but media exposure is a good thing. -- Saberwyn - The Zoids Expansion Project 23:31, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete yet another gaming clan article. News stories above mainly comment on the novelty of female gamers, rather than anything warranting an encyclopedia article. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 00:13, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep You could walk into any IT department, or anywhere with people who play video games and you find find people who have heard of 'PMS Clan' they are world famous, and deserve a mention. C Johnson - 00:42, 13 January 2006 (GMT)

Previous comment actually by 82.47.27.171 (talk · contribs) --Allen3 ^talk 01:01, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Mainstream media coverage establishes notability. Durova 01:24, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Very Weak Keep per Allen3 - though I play games and I've never heard of them -- Thesquire (talk - contribs) 02:58, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as notable per the links above. Turnstep 03:15, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, notability established. Christopher Parham (talk) 05:42, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and cleanup. First clan article I've seen on here with references from non-gaming publications. "World famous?" I don't know about that, but certainly notable enough for Wikipedia. --Wrathchild ^(talk) 13:43, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep with cleanup. --Terence Ong ^Talk 15:01, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above. The media coverage seems sufficient. - Haukur 16:04, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep media references establish notablity. maybe a merge would be better though. I'm going to tag this with the ad sticker too for the overly promotional writing. WhiteNight ^{T | @ | C} 01:09, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Girl gamer. PMS clan site has Alexa rank >100,000 and only about 2000 inbound links, but seems significant enough to be covered somewhere. Combining the two would, in my view, make for a better understanding of why the subject of girl gamers is notable. Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] AfD? 11:05, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No merge I've already voted 'keep', so I won't re-add that. But I just wanted to say that I'm not keen on the idea of merging the page with 'girl gamers' or 'female gamers'. As I fail to see the significance of a page about female gamers in general. I find the term 'girl gamer' condescending - and as for a page about 'female gamers' what next, a page called 'female mechanics: mechanics who are female' or 'female welders: welders who are female'. Sorry to moan, but apparently, for what it is worth, I feel strongly against a merger with that page, nor indeed see the point of a 'female gamer' page at all as it is too general. The concept of such a page is a bit to bizarre for me - and yes i did read the page too. 18:22, 14 January 2006 (GMT)
Keep. Perfectly encyclopedic. May benefit from further cleanup. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 13:08, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.