Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pleasure Valley, Indiana

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The result was keep. T. Canens (talk) 05:32, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Pleasure Valley, Indiana[edit]

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There is a "Pleasure Valley Road" at these coordinates but a dozen houses on a private street is not a notable place. No substantive sources, search results are auto-generated. Reywas92^Talk 19:34, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Indiana-related deletion discussions. Ceethekreator (talk) 21:19, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 21:41, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Daask (talk) 10:19, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Valid article per WP:GEOLAND nominated as part of an apparent vendetta by user against places in Indiana. Smartyllama (talk) 16:00, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- I am from Indiana - my vendetta is against mass-produced sub-stubs without actual sources. "Presumed notability" means that substantive sources are expected to be available, but none are to be found here so notability is not actually established. Where is the evidence that this "subdivision or housing development" has non-trivial coverage by reliable sources? GEOLAND says "This guideline specifically excludes maps and census tables from consideration when establishing topic notability". Where are the substantive sources still required under "On the other hand, sources that describe the subject instead of simply mentioning it do establish notability."? Reywas92Talk 18:03, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
Keep per WP:GEOLAND. Listed in the Board of Geographic Names' National Gazetteer [1] which is the minimal threshold required per community consensus. Chetsford (talk) 07:25, 15 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- This is a neighborhood on a short street, even smaller than Knighthood Village, not a town or village. Whats the difference? Reywas92^Talk 20:43, 15 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - The difference is it's recognized by a legally constituted body of a sovereign state, demonstrable through RS, which is the only requirement of GEOLAND. Chetsford (talk) 21:55, 15 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - the guidelines say nothing about a "minimal threshold" - if there is a "minimal threshold required per community consensus" then the guidelines need to be updated to reflect this consensus, but as it stands we must follow the guidelines as written - WP:NGEO says that "geographical features meeting Wikipedia's General notability guideline (GNG) are presumed, but not guaranteed, to be notable" - meeting GNG means having "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" - this place lacks significant coverage (mentioned in a list or appearing on a map is a passing reference, not significant coverage) - WP:GEOLAND says that places without legal recognition (like this unincorporated community) can be considered notable "given non-trivial coverage in multiple, independent reliable sources" - WP:GEOLAND also says that places may be notable "because notability encompasses their entire history", but this place has no notable history - just existing does not establish notability - the article does not meet WP:GNG, therefore delete - also, "Two sentences does not an encyclopedic article make," and "All articles that are only one or two sentences long should be either expanded or deleted." per WP:2S - Epinoia (talk) 16:15, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Pleasure Valley is one of several settlements in Indian nominated for deletion (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hildebrand Village, Indiana, which closed as "keep"). Pleasure Valley is a "populated, legally recognized place", per WP:GEOLAND:
- The US Department of the Interior identifies Pleasure Valley as a populated place.
- The State of Indiana identifies Pleasure Valley on a list of municipalities.
- Shelby County identifies Pleasure Valley on its GIS map, and calls it a "neighborhood" on tax records.
- Several maps at Template:GeoTemplate list Pleasure Valley. Magnolia677 (talk) 09:03, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:50, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I have expanded the article's history. As well:
- The county shariff identifies Pleasure Valley on this legal document.
- This State of Indiana watershed plan identifies Pleasure Valley as one of the towns located along the Flatrock River.
- This document from the Indiana Department of Natural Resources identifies Pleasure Valley as a place.
- This fishing blog has a fellow writing "I use to live in Pleasure Valley near Geneva on the Flatrock River". Magnolia677 (talk) 09:09, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Magnolia677. SpinningSpark 12:36, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Meets GEOLAND, simple as that. --qedk (t 桜 c) 19:07, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:GEOLAND. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:38, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.