Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Play (PRC magazine)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. WP:NPASR Mark Arsten (talk) 02:40, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Play (PRC magazine)

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Article de-PRODded by anonymous IP without stated reason. PROD reason still stands: "Unsourced article on magazine of unclear notability. Corresponding article on Chinese WP has no sources either (only link to magazine homepage)." Hence: Delete. Randykitty (talk) 11:02, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game-related deletion discussions. (G·N·B·S·RS·Talk) • Gene93k (talk) 16:22, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:22, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:22, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This source,[1] which looks reliable(?), says it was China's first computer gaming magazine. More history here. [2] Has a circulation of 185,000 according to the first source which is significant towards notability. There are mentions in Google Books.[3] Seems to be the first computer gaming magazine in China which is notable for pioneering aspect, and due to size of circulation. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 17:40, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, that magazine is really notable in China. "1994年6月，《家用电脑与游戏机》（后改名为《家用电脑与游戏》）创刊。... 这两本杂志造就了中国的第一批游戏杂志读者、第一批游戏杂志编辑，以及第一批游戏撰稿人，对其后的中国游戏业影响深远。" 见证一本游戏杂志的消亡, published by Netease--61.185.190.198 (talk) 09:19, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 02:05, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 03:11, 5 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - The claim that this is China's oldest gaming magazine is repeated in several places online, and this and this article (both from 4 days ago) suggest that there are rumors that the magazine is shutting down with this upcoming December issue being its last. If this is true then I imagine it would generate at least some English-language RS discussion to further improve the article. -Thibbs (talk) 12:01, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I guess your crystal ball works better than mine... --Randykitty (talk) 17:42, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well anyway your sarcasm seems to get better practice than mine... But seriously, you notice that I didn't actually base a !vote on any future speculation? The problem we're up against here is a lack of familiarity with Chinese sources. If this is the country's oldest video game magazine then there's almost certain to be RS coverage of it from among the 934k Chinese Google hits it receives. 61.185.190.198's comment above seems to corroborate this. It would be good to get a native speaker to assist us in locating RSes here because deleting the article based on our Western bias (or unfamiliarity with and inability to locate Chinese RSes) would be a shame (especially if we then see English-language RSes covering the topic a few months later). Anyway thanks for your comment, Randykitty. -Thibbs (talk) 18:48, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.