Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pike Clinton Ross

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The result was delete. The notability of the Society as a whole does not transfer to every member, early or not. The founding of this Society is surely important to its members but it is was not an event of national consequence so grand that being somewhat associated with it confers automatic notability. If the "immortal seven" are not otherwise notable it may be wise to examine the wisdom of having articles for each of them as well. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:35, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Pike Clinton Ross[edit]

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Delete due to lack of notability demonstrated through significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Claim of notability is due to being an early member of Phi Alpha Literary Society. References offered include one where the subject is simply among others in a list, while the others, as a catalog and manual of the Society are not significant or independent. Cind.amuse 02:12, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete There is no notability here. Simply being a member of a club or society does not confer notability. 03:12, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 03:29, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I listed him as "an early member" because the sources differ on his level of involvement in the founding of the society. This man took part in a significant event in history, and I have now gathered six different printed sources that confirm this. John Milito (talk) 03:26, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. None of the references provided equates to significant coverage. They merely include his name in a list among others. Honestly, considering the founding of a club or society as significant or notable is subjective. Regardless, taking part in a significant event of this nature does not establish notability. Wikipedia requires significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. Cind.amuse 19:09, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 08:40, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. WP:BIO states: "If the event is highly significant, and the individual's role within it is a large one, a separate article is generally appropriate." This man founded a society. This society is "highly significant" for several reasons, two of which follow. This organization counts among its members Abraham Lincoln, due to his presentation of a speech on request of the society. In addition, this organization won one of the first intercollegiate debates in the country.John Milito (talk) 05:21, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Non-notable. He did not "found" a society, he is merely "associated with the founding". He was apparently one of the original members [1], but the same reference states very clearly (page 5) that the Phi Alpha Literary Society had seven founders, "the Immortal Seven", and this subject is not one of them. The society may qualify as notable, but its founding is not a "highly significant" event, and he did not "play a large role" in its founding. --MelanieN (talk) 16:54, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. This article is part of a WP:Walled garden of articles about the Phi Alpha Literary Society, and IMO the separate articles about the founders should be deleted unless they are shown to be notable for something else. Their mention in the primary article is enough. --MelanieN (talk) 18:31, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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