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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was DELETE. TigerShark 17:43, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Piccolo (coloratura)[edit]

Contested WP:PROD. The reason given was: There is no widely recognized fach called "piccolo." This appears to be something invented by fans to describe singers who have high voices and are particularly proficient in the flageolot register. It is covered quite adequately by the various sorts of "coloratura," all of which terminology is widely used. I concur with this. According to George, who added the original tag, this does not appear in any of the standard music references, e.g., Grove's Dictionary, Harvard Dictionary, a google of the phrase "piccolo coloratura" returns only 14 hits, and a google of "piccolo soprano" returns 652, most of which are instrumentation lists, e.g., "bassoon, flute, piccolo, soprano." At least one of the names originally listed was removed, as being incorrectly attributed (not a surprise given that there appears to be no provable currency for the term in the first place). I call neologism. Just zis Guy you know? 12:00, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Link 1 is a Geocities website which is now mostly non-functional. There's no way of knowing what expertise the anonymous owner has on the topic of vocal classification. Link 2 is just a copy of link 1. Link 3 doesn't actually use "piccolo coloratura soprano," it merely lists certain instruments that it considers similar: "The piccolo, coloratura voice, French horn, harp and dulcimer represent the highest mode, that of winter." Link 4 is your best bet, as it has actual singers using the term. --George 21:46, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
... but is a message board, not a reliable source. So: we'll wait until it's in Grove :-) Just zis Guy you know? 12:07, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. As in many fields, there is plenty of neologism in musical vocal fach (often for the best of reasons, for instance regarding countertenors/falsettists/male sopranos/haute-contre/male alto etc)). The above rationales say this term does not appear in standard references. My personal offline query to two professional classical singers (one of whom is a professional teacher in a top North American conservatory) generated blank stares. The links provided are not currently notable enough. Maybe we'll add this in a few years if it gains currency, but right now not appropriate for an encyclopedia. Martinp 03:10, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep since when is a piece of Minnie Riperton's legacy NOT notable? Here is another link for the cause [[5]] 216.141.226.190 07:18, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per JzG. Proto///type 11:14, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Encountered the term when researching Minnie Riperton. Rebel.crusader 18:43, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, next we'll be voting Minnie Riperton for deletion. 205.188.116.197 02:42, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment (already voted Delete above). Many of the keep votes base rationale on Minnie Riperton. If that is the one well-known case, let's just mention it there. Curiously, the Riperton article now never mentions or links to Piccolo (coloratura), though it does talk about the whistle register. Martinp 04:12, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I had added it under the trivia section that she was dubbed the "piccolo coloratura" for her efforts in instrumentation, but as of now (until my grandmother mails me that old copy of a Jet magazine article on her), I had no reliable source. I confess the article will never be more than a stub, and do want to agree with you Martinp, but I don't like this was voted as a neologism (as if I coined it) when she was popular before I was born. Antares33712 13:53, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Boo-boo, don't take it so personal. Meologism just means the term is "made-up" or is not a recognized mainstream term. It should say nothing about you. That being said, I still vote KEEP 216.141.226.190 03:03, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, I can sing the C above High C in full vibrato and staccato, and adlib just like Minnie Riperton. In fact, I have trained after many of her songs. --Stacy
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