Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Philatino

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:14, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Philatino[edit]

Unremarkable company, with tone of article very much towards self-promotion. Was originally tagged as a speedy deletion which might have been a little harsh. So going for AfD to get some further thoughts. Oscarthecat (talk) 05:54, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - It's just a random company writing self-promotions. BecauseWhy? (talk) 10:00, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete as blatant advertising: Philatino is an international organization born to ensemble the best possible selection of recognized world stamps auctioneers. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 14:17, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Please, before you delete it tell me what should I change, because I took parts of different journals and that's what the articles say, I'm trying to change the article but everything I put you say Its advertising, when a administrator from here told me I could write an article about a company. I don't trying to advertise, I know that wikipedia doesn't have a page rank and I don't even put the page url in the article. I'm learning how to use wikipedia but I can't learn if every word I put is deleted. If you dont have time to help me with this unless dont delete the article and give me time to change it.

Tell me, what information can I put about the company? Thank you. Sylvia. 200.122.14.72 (talk) 14:30, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Sylvia, and welcome to Wikipedia. I see you've attempted to improve the article by adding some reliable sources to establish its notability, which is a good first step. But since article subjects need "significant coverage" in those sources (I've been mentioned by the BBC, but they certainly didn't say enough about me to warrant a Wikipedia article!) it would be helpful if we could see exactly what they say. I had a quick look online and found one of the publications you reference but not the specific article, and I couldn't find the journal 'Philatelie' at all. Do you have links to some of your references? If so then posting them here would let other editors decide whether the level of coverage is enough to show notability, and also whether the publications look 'reliable' in the Wikipedia sense (a national newspaper for example is a good source but a personal blog is not). I hope that helps - feel free to ask if you have more questions. Cheers, Olaf Davis (talk) 17:05, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. I've taken the liberty of moving your comment so the AfD discussion is in chronological order - Wikipedia convention is to post new comments at the bottom. Olaf Davis (talk) 17:07, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Olaf!!!

I'll put links to linns page (linn is already in wikipedia) and "Philatelie" is a Dutch magazine recognized worldwide but with less weight than linn's, I'll try to find a link to it.

I really appreciate you're taking the time to respond and help me. I am ready to change and improve everything that you'll propose me. And sorry for my english.

Sylvia.

200.122.14.72 (talk) 18:58, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: This has been deleted four times already. Each time there has been little, if any, improvement. None of the so called sources links to anything about the subject. I searched around Linn's Stamp News website and even though search results showed instances of the name, none of the pages actually had any mention of the topic. If it is so hard to find or provide direct links to verifiable reliable sources, and if the creator in unable to actually furnish links that work, then it is not notable and must be deleted. Assuming it will be deleted, I request protection from recreation considering how many deletions have already taken place. ww2censor (talk) 21:00, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The four deletions were made because I was lerning to use wikipedia and although I read all I could find about their conditions for use I made mistakes because there are a lot of rules and the rules have exceptions and when I was writting the article I found another article "Cherrystone auctions" that was on wikipedia for more than two years and was the same thing that im recreating with philatino, I mentioned this site to a few administrators and noone deleted It until I request It. So I was confused about the use of wikipedia, for this I'm asking you to don't delete the article, It's not advertise as I said before! I'm trying to honor a company that my grandfather made grew with his love for stamps and hard work, and if you dont understand philately please dont discuss about that. Because if you have a bussines of shoes and it's good, the whole world will know about it but philately is a small enviroment and appear in two of the greatest magazines of philately is a huge thing. But if you expect Maddonna to be talking about a philatelic company in the BBC understand that it's not gonna happen!! And I checked but Linn's doesnt have all of his publications online, but if you want I can scan the pages and send everyone a copy or put it in the resources. But this is all that a person who wants to describe an important company in a small enviroment can do, and you'll have to accept that. Wikipedia is for all, not only for the things that the most people understands or likes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.122.16.92 (talk) 13:03, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I understand this can be confusing and irritating, Sylvia. As you say, Wikipedia's rules can seem pretty daunting at first! If you can provide scanned copies of your sources without too much trouble that would be very helpful. My Dutch isn't brilliant but I can find someone to translate the Philatelie article if you have a copy of that too (it doesn't seem to be on the website). Also, if you sign in using the username you've created and make sure to end your posts with four tildes (~~~~) then your signature will appear as 'Sylvia.Plath07' instead of your IP address, '200.122.14.72'. That makes it easier to tell who's written what. And your English is fine! Olaf Davis (talk) 13:36, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - There is a clear conflict of interest here. The edits are being made by an employee of or the owner of the company (considering the comment about it being founded by her grandfather, I'm guessing owner). That in itself amounts to self-promotion. Added on top of that, I attempted to add an AfD tag to the page, which didn't appear to have any significant improvements since it was last deleted. She removed the tag in violation of policy, while I was getting ready to post the info on the AfD discussion page. So, I just decided to mark it for speed deletion instead and she removed that tag too, it seems, while I was away for a day or two. Oscarthecat is now attempting what I tried (and thanks for the headsup about that, Oscarthecat!). Another issue is the concept of notability in this instance. All of the non-links are to what amount to trade publications. Linn's and the others mentioned are not particularly reliable news sources. Many of the "articles" amount to no more than paid advertising, disguised as articles. Most of Linn's is devoted to ads, in fact. This doesn't really meet the standard of notability. If this company were mentioned in an actual news piece somewhere rather than just a trade magazine, then it might rise to the level of notability. There is no evidence that such is the case. Simply being mentioned in a trade publication added to the COI status of the page's originator weights the issue in favor of deletion, in my opinion. Age Happens (talk) 17:49, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

COI and failure by an inexperienced user to abide by deletion policy aren't reasons for deletion, though. On the trade magazine issue you have a point: I always find it very difficult to gauge the borderline of reliable sources in these cases. Olaf Davis (talk) 19:42, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,I'm Sylvia again but I can't Log in. I'm 18 years old, and I have no job, and I'm definetly not the owner of the company! If you know a way to prove you I'm that age please let me know, for the moment I can only give you my fotolog, blog and facebook and that proves I'm only a teenager learning how to use wikipedia, http://fotolog.com/mayfairwitch http://cubremisojos.blogspot.com and my facebook is reserved to who is really interested to solve this missunderstood, if you are interested please contact me to my e-mail [removed] And thanks olaf again for your help. Sylvia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.189.229.50 (talk) 19:29, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sylvia, I've removed your email address because Wikipedia's a very visible site which makes it a likely target for bots that search for email addresses to send spam to. I don't think you need to prove your age to us. If a topic is notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia then it's notable regardless of who first wrote about it or how old they are! If you're having problems logging in you might want to explain the situation on the Help Desk and hopefully someone can give you a hand. Olaf Davis (talk) 23:14, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.