Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter Gruenwald

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The result was delete. Ironholds (talk) 02:06, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Gruenwald

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Gruenwald does not meet WP:CRIME, he is only known for his involvement in the Lufthansa heist. He falls into WP:ONEVENT the Lufthansa heist. There is information about Gruenwald and his involvement in the heist in the Lufthasa heist article. Vic49 (talk) 16:51, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. —Vic49 (talk) 17:01, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. —Vic49 (talk) 17:01, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Per above and lack of reliable sources. Merge with Lufthansa heist. - DonCalo (talk) 17:31, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Explain?.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:58, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - I already explained. He can be dealt with in the article on the Lufthansa heist. Read WP:CRIME: A person who is notable only for committing a crime should not normally be the subject of a separate Wikipedia article if there are any existing articles that do or could incorporate the available encyclopaedic material relating to that person. - DonCalo (talk) 23:24, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    - Well, not necessarily often a person from a larger "event" can have its own notability, like here. And should then be subject to its own separate article.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:17, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      - Like in this case, a separate article is justified.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:18, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        Other than his involvement in the Lufthansa heist he has no notability, consequentle merge and delete. - DonCalo (talk) 14:11, 5 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Does not meet WP:CRIME--Gagg me with ah spoon (talk) 18:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- How?--BabbaQ (talk) 22:58, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Needs sourcing but that is not a reason for deletion. when searching on Peter Gruenwald I get 867 000 hits on Google. Does meet WP:CRIME.--BabbaQ (talk) 19:59, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Those hits are not all about the same person. And when they are about this Peter Gruenwald, they are clones of the Wikepedia article. In other words, a very bad argument for keeping the article. - DonCalo (talk) 19:01, 5 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

BabbaQ, you need better reasoning, see WP:GOOGLEHITS. LibStar (talk) 03:22, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I would say the same to you in this instance actually.--BabbaQ (talk) 12:25, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per WP:PERP and WP:ONEVENT. take away this crime and he is not known for anything. simple. LibStar (talk) 03:23, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Take away the politics and Barack Obama is not known for anything, take away all her films and Julia Roberts isnt known for anything. Strange and/or weak reasoning for deletion.--BabbaQ (talk) 12:25, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

these people are noted for multiple events, achievements. please nominate both Barack Obama and Julia Roberts and see if your reasoning is correct. if you do nominate both, I'll happily change my vote for this to keep. otherwise this is a slam dunk delete. regards LibStar (talk) 23:46, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Doesn't meet WP:CRIME criteria. Keb25 (talk) 06:13, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles 15:09, 13 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This was never listed on a daily log. Please close seven days from this timestamp. Courcelles 15:09, 13 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP he was an important mobster in his day and a lot has been written about him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Necktor (talk • contribs) 19:00, 13 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

He was not a mobster but a pilot with a minor role in the heist. You obviously did not even read the article. - DonCalo (talk) 15:35, 14 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I still say he does not meet WP:CRIME --Vic49 (talk) 21:15, 13 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - The vote above this comment was made by the nominator for deletion of the article. Voting twice is unallowed. Northamerica1000 (talk) 01:05, 14 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Topic actually passes WP:ONEVENT, specifically, quoted from this policy guideline page, "If the event is highly significant, and the individual's role within it is a large one, a separate article is generally appropriate." Northamerica1000 (talk) 01:08, 14 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Gruenwald only had a minor role in the heist and he can be dealt with in the article on the Lufthansa heist. Does not pass WP:ONEVENT. - DonCalo (talk) 15:37, 14 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Common criminal who had a small involvement with a crime that has an article on WP already. --Gelobet sei (talk) 18:53, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.