Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peristera Baziana

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Alexis Tsipras#Personal life. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 06:49, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Peristera Baziana[edit]

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Contested PROD. Concern was "The subject's only claim of notability is being the fiance of Alexis Tsipras. Fails WP:NOTINHERITED and WP:GNG." The PROD was contested by the article's creator (688dim (talk · contribs)) on my talk page, saying "On the talk page of Peristera Baziana all the users support that the article should not be deleted."

The point is, all coverage for Baziana doesn't come from reliable sources, thus failing WP:GNG. Also, notability is not inherited, so a standalone article about Baziana is not justified without significant coverage by independent reliable sources as per GNG. So I'd say delete this article and mention her on her husband's article. – Kosm1 fent 05:05, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep.This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because... (it does not appear to meet the A7 speedy deletion criteria as suggested. The lady in question is the long term partner of Alexis Tsipras, currently a very important figure in Greek politics. She was also politically active in the same youth movements that he was involved with. This is a clear indication of the importance of the subject. If she is not worthy of an article on her own merits, perhaps it should be merged with the article of her partner, Alexis Tsipras) --C87wikiedit (talk) 10:58, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

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Keep.This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because It appears that she will be the next first lady of Greece making her an important national figure. --89.101.44.40 (talk) 13:12, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

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Keep.This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because the economic crisis in Greece has catapulted the far-left Syrizah party to the fore of Greek politics. As the partner of a potential PM of Greece in the middle of the financial crisis, that gives her a profile equivalent to that of Michelle Obama or Carla Bruni. Given the lavish treatment of Michelle Obama in her Wikipedia entry (someone who has done nothing publicly notable other than marry a future President), a speedy deletion of Peristera Baziana would be the height of national narcissism. I think we should take no action towards deletion until a stable government is formed in Greece, and if Tsipras is the new PM, we can then figure out whether to incorporate information about Baziana into his "Personal Life" or give her her own entry, based on the contributions of Greek Wikipedians.. --69.211.9.252 (talk) 15:09, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

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Keep.This article should not be speedily deleted because of CSD A7 ("No indication of importance"). There is a clear indication of the importance of Peristera Baziana; she is the partner of Alexis Tsipras, who is a central figure in the current political crisis in Greece. --mennonot (talk) 15:55, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

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Keep.This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because it is a biography of a person whose importance is increasing by the day. It seems very likely that she will be the wife of Greece's Prime Minister, especially looking forward to the next elections. Ph8l (talk) 16:47, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

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Keep.This article should not be speedily deleted because it refers to the mate of the Greek politician Alexis Tsipras who has a great influence on him (they have a relationship since they were teens). Alexis Tsipras, as the polls now show, may be the next Greek prime minister 688dim (talk) 18:18, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Greece-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:22, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:22, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – Good job copy-pasting the entire article's talk page to prove a point. However, you fail to address the reasons for deletion, which are 1) being related to a famous person doesn't alone justify notability (WP:POLITICIAN#Invalid criteria) and 2) significant coverage by reliable third-party sources is required (WP:GNG) but currently does not exist. Also, there is a bunch of crystal ball action in there (saying that Tsipras will be a new PM), but even then his wife will not be considered notable unless she satisfies GNG. – Kosm1 fent 18:28, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I see several Greek sources that appear to provide sufficient significant coverage to satisfy our notability criterion: [1][2][3][4][5][6]. (Note: not all of these are independent of each other.) --Lambiam 20:56, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The only source that can be considered reliable is the Sigma Live link which doesn't constitute significant coverage, as they only mention Peristera here (in Greek): "(about Tsipras) he is ready to become a dad for a second time from Peristera Baziana, whom he hasn't married." Cheers. – Kosm1 fent 21:05, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Nothing notable being the fiance of a political figure. Refs that ~~Kosm1fent~~ Lambiam gave use the same photos with the same wording. All are a couple paragraphs that say the exact same things. It is almost as if a news story was published and all the other newspapers used the same exact story. Bgwhite (talk) 23:33, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Lambiam you mean? I didn't give any sources. :P – Kosm1 fent 17:20, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - Oh, I'm sure you are a source of something evil :) Bgwhite (talk) 18:10, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I still believe that the article should not be deleted. Alexis Tsipras is these days very famous and in many countries the leaders (such as in the EU) have made comments about him. His mate should surely refered on a special article as she may have a great influence on him. 688dim (talk) 18:16, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect There's an obvious solution here. Redirect to Alexis Tsipras#Personal life, where the material is already present. It can be expanded into an article if he becomes head of government, and if there is more published information to write one with. DGG ( talk ) 17:09, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ItsZippy ^{(talk • contributions)} 18:00, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect as per DGG. This seems clear, until and if she personally becomes the subject of arm's-length third-party reliable sources. Ubelowme (talk) 18:28, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – I'd agree with redirecting the article to Alexis Tsipras. – Kosm1 fent 18:33, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as per DGG. There are just not sufficient third-party sources to support, particularly for a BLP. --Tgeairn (talk) 18:44, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as separate article. WP:NOTINHERITED No coverage except as mate of a notable person. DocTree (talk) 17:43, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per DGG.♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:04, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.