Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pedro Luiz of Orléans-Braganza

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎. I don't think an additional relisting would bring this discussion to a consensus a closer could act on. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:09, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pedro Luiz of Orléans-Braganza[edit]

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Biography article about a Brazilian person who was a descendant of the then/now-extinct Brazilian royal family. Most, if not all, of the information in the article deals with information other than relevant biographical data about Pedro Luiz of Orléans-Braganza himself. Details are purely genealogical. The interwikis seem to have been built on cross-wiki spam. I bring it for community evaluation. Sturm (talk) 03:04, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Royalty and nobility and Brazil. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 03:23, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I've taken a close look at each of the sources. The only ones that give him some coverage that isn't just mentioning his name are the ones about his demise in a plane crash, and even then, not enough coverage to say any of them qualify for attesting WP:GNG. Since monarchy was abolished in Brazil almost 2 centuries ago and there's zero chance that it's ever coming back, the claim of being a pretender to the throne is not noteworthy enough to sustain the article. Rkieferbaum (talk) 17:54, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: PROD'd article, not eligible for Soft Deletion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:14, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep well-sourced and coverage of his dynasitc position and death in plane crash. Richiepip (talk) 14:11, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Richiepip: "Dynastic"? A dynasty is defined as "a succession of rulers". Pedro Luiz wasn't a ruler. His father wasn't a ruler. Neither his father's father, or his father... there's no dynasty to speak of. And reports of dying in a plane crash don't qualify as WP:SIGCOV. Rkieferbaum (talk) 01:41, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It is beyond ridiculous to claim the House of Orléans-Braganza is not a dynasty. Richiepip (talk) 03:23, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Please ping me if you have anything of substance to add to your point. And please keep it civil. Thanks. Rkieferbaum (talk) 11:28, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per Richiepiep. I also strongly oppose deletion. This is not ptwiki where any sort of work is destroyed. RodRabelo7 (talk) 23:54, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:17, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to House of Orléans-Braganza. A good portion of the article is dedicated to his family, and the rest is mostly his personal life, which doesn't seem notable. The sources as well are mostly about his family or about his death. Listing him in the members of the House and noting his death would suffice in my opinion. Jaguarnik (talk) 07:00, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, I see no reason to delete. A person doesn't have to be super well-known to be notable enough to have an article. There are references about him and they seem like reliable sources. It seems kind of nit-picky and excessively deletionist to delete this article. The article seems too long to redirect to House of Orléans-Braganza, though redirecting would certainly be better than deleting. Vontheri (talk) 13:11, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete it was deleted from Wikpedia in Portuguese per WP:NOTINHERITED. It was previously discussed that it doesn't make sense a line of succession of monarchy doesn't exist anymore for more than 100 years. 1993 Brazilian constitutional referendum is a good example of how irrelevant monarchist movements are in Brazil. It should be deleted per WP:NTEMP because most of the news appeared when he died. Kimbler (talk) 20:58, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
N This is the english wikipedia, not the portuguese. Completely irrelevant if they have an agenda and decided to delete it. 2804:388:411A:9335:1:0:2DBB:8641 (talk) 18:34, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.