Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pediatrician(Disambiguation)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 23:43, 30 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Pediatrician(Disambiguation)

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The article name simply cannot stay as it is at the moment with the capital D and no space before the bracket, but maybe someone has a better idea what to do with this article as I'm at a bit of a loss. Either redirect it to Pediatrics or something like "List of pediatricians". I leave it to you to come up with something – delete, redirect or rename, as I'm not sure and I look forward to any discussion. Jared Preston (talk) 21:13, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Redirection isn't really helpful here. This isn't a disambiguation, there's essentially no chance that "pediatrician" will ever need disambiguation, and this isn't correctly formatted were that otherwise. I have a low bar for "plausible search terms" and redirects are cheap, but this doesn't cross it. As for the content... I struggle to imagine that list of pediatricians would be a sustainable article with clear inclusion criteria. Category:Pediatricians by nationality has 200+ entries, and the delineation between who "counts" as a pediatrician versus who merely contributed in some way to pediatrics would be a nightmare. On the other hand, we apparently do have list of physicians, so if someone really wants to try to branch that out by speciality... it will have to be someone other than myself. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 21:42, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Striking the original deletion vote, as this article has changed both title and content during the AFD process. New response below the relist break. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 14:30, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, as not a valid (or useful) Disambiguation page. Readers browsing pediatricians can consult Category:Pediatricians. --Animalparty! (talk) 23:21, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:01, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:01, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:01, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This page was apparently created based on a misunderstanding of how disambiguation is supposed to work in Wikipedia. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:04, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I continue to support deletion (despite the changes to this page) because I don't see a great need for a list of pediatricians, or even a list of "pediatricians to the stars". --Metropolitan90 (talk) 17:12, 8 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have boldly renamed the page to list of pediatricians. KATMAKROFAN (talk) 03:00, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure pages should be renamed during an AfD. Smmurphy^(Talk) 14:28, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Revert/rename to pre September 29, 2016 list named "Pediatrician to the Stars", then merge/redirect, delete, redirect - Looking at the page history, this article has been renamed a number of times. It was initially created in March 2012 as a redirect page with the title "Pediatrician to the Stars". At that time it redirected to Paul Fleiss, who, in his wikipedia page, is called the pediatrician to the stars. Shortly thereafter it was changed into a list of famous pediatricians - adding Michael Cohen, Jay Gordon, and Harvey Karp - who all seem to have treated famous people or their children. The list had no lede, so without the title, the page seemed like a dab and it was renamed (improperly) in late September, and then it got weirder. The rename was undone, then redone, then this AfD started. I agree that the current title is silly, it should have a space and a lower-case "d". My vote is to delete "Pediatrician(Disambiguation)" and to merge and redirect "Pediatrician to the Stars" to List_of_physicians#Physicians_famous_for_their_role_in_television_and_the_media and redirect "List of pediatricians" to List of physicians. If this page is kept as "List of pediatricians" and isn't deleted, put a see also on "List of physicians" to "List of pediatricians" and vice-versa, redirect "Pediatricians to the Stars" to "List of pediatricians" and still delete "Pediatrician(Disambiguation)". Smmurphy^(Talk) 14:28, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep renamed List of pediatricians and expand from Category:Pediatricians. Looks like a reasonable page move to me. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:05, 8 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as renamed List of pediatricians, per sibling lists in Category:Lists of physicians, where I have now recategorized it. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:10, 9 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: So do we want to keep this as a list? Sandstein 07:25, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 07:25, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete the new version of this article (as list of pediatricians), unless there's some clearly-defined criteria for qualification. Yes, yes, incomplete lists and all that. But right now, this is a list of three seemingly random medical professionals: two "celebrity" pediatricians, and Michael Cohen (who did some pediatrics work, but who most sources seem to identify as a "physician"). Few notable medical professionals work or worked exclusively in pediatrics; what is the dividing line, then, between this article and list of physicians? Conversely, a significant percentage of notable physicians had some experience with, or impact on, pediatrics. This is especially true for historical figures before the widespread establishment of pediatrics as a specialist discipline. Soranus of Ephesus is generally best known for his writings on gynecology, but a treatise on neonatal pediatrics survives. Does that make him a pediatrician? Muhammad ibn Zakariya al-Razi studied smallpox in children. Was he a pediatrician? Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 14:30, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And delete Category:Pediatricians while you're at it. Siuenti (talk) 14:37, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

For a number of reasons, I'm less concerned about the demarcation problem for categories than for lists. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 15:09, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 09:55, 22 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Agree with above, no clearly defined criteria for inclusion. Serves no purpose. MB 15:14, 22 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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