Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patri Friedman

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 13:58, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Patri Friedman

Vanity article. Non-notable individual other than his grandfather is the economist Milton Friedman J.R. Hercules 01:39, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No Vote. Malformed AfD. Listed correctly now . Viridae ^Talk 01:53, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, clearly a non notable person since having a famous grandfather does not make you automatically notable as shown by massive precedent, also working as a google engineer doesn't make him automatically notable either unless he's done something notable either himself or in that role. Pegasus1138^{Talk | Contribs | Email} ---- 01:58, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Lotsa G-hits, zero news hits. Friedman finished in the money — straining for notability is usually the clearest sign of non-notability. ~ trialsanderrors 02:27, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep~~ Abstain (see my comment below), on the basis of his knowledge and leadership in Seasteading. If Patri Friedman is non-notable, should Seastead go as well? If not for his relationship to seasteading, I'd say yes, delete for non-notability. Travisl 02:45, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Both of his listed co-authors in the Seastead article are redlinks. Seems awfully slim. Fan1967 02:48, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Almost all Google hits for Seasteading disappear if you remove the ones incuding Friedman and Gramlich. ~ trialsanderrors 03:01, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Bwithh's research on the seasteading AfD has convinced me otherwise. Until Friedman's book is published, I agree that he may be non-notable. Travisl 17:16, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. SM247^{My Talk} 03:10, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Referring to the notability guidelines, first of all it's clear that the primary consideration is met, namely that the subject of this article "has sufficient external notice to ensure that they can be covered from a neutral point of view based on verifiable information from reliable sources, without straying into original research." I personally feel that this is indisputable in this case, but please respond if you disagree and I will try to provide demonstrative details. As far as the specifics, I believe that the subject's book and influence on seasteading constitute a "widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in their specific field," let alone the other aspects. Wiki is not paper, and it makes little sense to delete articles that are far more than sufficiently notable. --Daniel11 03:14, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Book doesn't seem listed on Amazon, but I still like to see evidence for his notability (please only the type that passes as reliable source). ~ trialsanderrors 03:38, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Coredesat talk. o.o;; 03:15, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom -- IslaySolomon 03:16, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I don't see Friedman (or Gramlich or House) rating more than a mention in the Seastead article, as he has no notability outside of that. Fan1967 03:20, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per nom Bwithh 05:48, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
AFD Notification I have nominated Seastead up for deletion as a neologism (WP:NEO) with little impact Bwithh 05:48, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per J.R. Hercules. -- Kjkolb 12:30, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. His lineage, his blogging, and his poker do not individually make him notable for inclusion and when puttied together still fail BIO guidelines. No prejudice to recreation if he gains more notoriety in the poker world. youngamerican (ahoy-hoy) 15:35, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --AlexDW 17:04, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Where to start with the smart-ass comments?

As book is not listed at Amazon, obviously fails the test of the marketplace.

Poker career is a king high, at best.

Boot this one out to a Seastead. JChap 20:01, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete so vain. --Burgwerworldz 23:07, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete nn vanity -- Alias Flood 23:46, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, non-notable vanity, sorry. RFerreira 01:15, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete pure vanity, although it seems as if he could become notable in the future, so if he ever wins a WSOP bracelet or transforms Google, I'd be fine with a recreation hoopydink^{Conas tá tú?} 13:22, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and Youngamerican. Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:24, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I disagree with the policy of only including articles about notable things. Lawyer2b 13:42, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Patri is notable to quite a number of people, particularly in the libertarian and micro-nation community. His Seastead Project (which is now a book, the fact he doesn't sell through Amazon speaks only to his choice of commercial channels) proposes to replicate the SeaLand experience, and he is a noted performance artist, including his cluster balloon project at Burning Man. I live 3000 miles away from the man and I've known of him for years. That he is also a writer on the noted blog Catallarchy is also notable. It appears to me that there is a concerted campaign by some to delete from history persons of a libertarian bent. J.R. Hercules' own user discussion page exposes that he is an avid anti-gun anti-libertarian individual, and this AfD should be regarded simply as part of his vendetta against pro-liberty activists. I did a search of Amazon and other books use the term "seastead". User:Citizenposse 69.173.98.243 17:42, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the Seastead afd discussion Bwithh 20:21, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

- Comment J.R. Hercules' own user discussion page exposes that he is an avid anti-gun anti-libertarian individual

FYI, I do own a gun. I also could care less about Patri Friedman's political bent, whatever it is. And, like yourself (and everybody else in the world) I live thousands of miles away from a bunch of people, and have known of them for many years.//J.R. Hercules 19:09, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.