Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Passion Pit

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Woohookitty^{(cat scratches)} 11:08, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Passion Pit

People from another website message board are using Wikipedia to validate their arguments. They feel if they post their side of an argument on Wikipedia, it becomes factual, and they win the argument. The people who created the "passion pit" article are all involved in slandering each other 24/7 on this website:

http://imdb.com/title/tt0335345/board/threads/

People will continuouly edit the article as part of their never-ending battles on http://imdb.com/title/tt0335345/board/threads/

The article has already been intermittently edited with discriminatory comments (homophobic slander and theological slander) intended to hurt people.

(the above nomination by User:65.33.8.89)

The "Passion Pit" Wikipedia article should be deleted as it currently reads for the following reasons:

1.) It amounts to nothing more than shameless promotion for the people specificly named in the article.

2.) It contains unverified assertions.

3.) It contains material that is clearly opnion.

These are not qualties of an encyclopedia article.

(the above comment by User:68.252.171.233

• While the above are all reasons for editing rather than deleting, it also remains that this is an article about a discussion forum. If it really is 'one of the highest traffic boards on the internet' then this might be notable. Otherwise not. No vote yet. DJ Clayworth 16:44, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

• Keep I agree with DJ Clayworth. If this is a commonly used nickname for a well-known bbs, I'd say that it's notable. bjelleklang 16:52, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

This - 'one of the highest traffic boards on the internet' - is an opinion with no substantiation. People from that forum will edit the message with vulgarities and obscenities on a 24 hour basis to degrade other people. That is the sole point of the article. No academia, only petty wars. User:65.33.8.89 I was responsible for one of the early (18:55, 12 October 2005) edits of the Passion Pit article. That said, I now think it's a strong candidate for deletion. This article has been edited over fifty times in the past 24 hours. I believe it is extremely unlikely to ever serve any purpose other than that of a venue for an ongoing malicious edit war. Delete Cactus Wren 17:21, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

If the forum is notable we can make a neutral version of the article and protect it. If vandalism were a criterion for deletion then George W. Bush would have been deleted long ago. DJ Clayworth 17:27, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

The forum itself is only notable for its contention and vitriol. This contention has now been exported to Wikipedia. This is clearly a vanity article by the definitions of Wikipedia and should be deleted.

This board should not be deleted. It should be locked.

The user <<MrWotUp>> deleted someone else's contribution to this debate. User:65.33.8.89

My suggestion

As DJ Clayworth mentions, vandalism alone is no reason for deletion. Anyway, had a look around, and it appears that IMDB has approx. 4 million users[1], which I would say is enought to make it a notable bbs, although I don't know the specifics about this particular board. One option might be to create an article for the IMDB bbs, if it doesn't already exist, and then merge this into that article, or to create a Category:imdb-forums, and list any other (if they exist) notable IMDB forums. Although this won't help regarding the vandalism, the article would be placed in a better context. Any comments to this?

BTW: please remember to sign the posts, even if you are an anon user. bjelleklang 19:45, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

I support keeping the page as a valid reference (The Passion of the Christ message board is one of the largest and most frequented on the IMDB), but support locking it to prevent contentious changes. -JK 11:02 PM EST, Oct. 14 2005

Though it is heavily trafficked by a limited number of users, it is not one of the largest on the IMDB. In fact, the IMDB administrators have limited its size. The board was certainly a phenomenon in the year leading up to and during the time of the movie's release, and that might make an interesting subject for an encyclopedia entry. But to give it an entry such as is currently composed is again, simply an sop to the vanity of a number of people who continue to post there.

At the moment, people on that forum are affraid to edit the article, because a user there posted on the Passion forum the IP Addresses of all the people debating here on this Wikipedia page. IMDb took action and removed the thread (IMDb protects privacy), but obviously it proves the people on that forum will do ANYTHING to hurt other people, including invading their privacy. User:65.33.8.89

Lastly, there are at least 75 forums that not only have heavier traffic than the Passion forum, but also have at least 5x the messages. The Passion forum has an average of 100 threads daily, whereas at least 75 other forums have 500 daily threads. The Main Boards (general topics) of IMDb alone eclipse the Passion forum in traffic rate and number of messages, not including the boards for newly released films and soon-to-be-released films. User:65.33.8.89

• This afd nomination was orphaned. Listing now. No opinion. —Cryptic (talk) 18:37, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
• Merge with Passion of the Christ and/or Internet Movie Database. I see nothing here to suggest it warrants its own article. If it is one of the highest-trafficked sites on the Net a) this needs to be sourced and b) this fact belongs within the IMDb article. If an when "Passion Pit" becomes its own site let's revisit the issue but right now it's just an IMDB comment board on steroids. 23skidoo 19:21, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, for reasons posted above. I don't think any material in the article is worthy of merging anywhere else. --Agamemnon2 21:07, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per Agamemnon2. --howcheng [ talk &#149; contribs &#149; web ] 21:41, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per Agamemnon2 chowells 21:54, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
• Merge Deserves a small mention at Internet_Movie_Database#Message Boards. This mention should be trimmed of all erroneous POV in order to discourage anonymous flaming. --Anetode
• Delete This sub-forum isn't really notable enough for its own article for the reasons above and Wikipedia:Websites. --W.marsh 01:09, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Non-notable outside its own bubble. It may deserve a mention (not a merge) at Passion of the Christ.  freshgavin^TALK   02:14, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. This should be first merged into a new in-depth article called "IMDB trolling phenomena", which then would, due to nonnotability, be merged into the main IMDB article, and edited for NPOV, encyclopedic relevancy and style, after which all that would be left is "The database is known for their message boards. It is frequently alleged that the users are not very good at debating." In other words, it's just not worth the effort. (And finally, a comment: Anyone care to reformat this AfD a little? It's a bloody eyesore. If I have to ask "where do I sign" when adding stuff to the thing, it's a bad sign.) --Wwwwolf 22:27, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

According to an IMDb Adminstrator, it is not possible to deduce the busiest boards: http://imdb.com/board/bd0000041/inline/27990906?d=28128858#28128858 http://imdb.com/board/bd0000041/inline/27990906?d=28145662#28145662

If this "article" is merged, all of these IMDb forums (to name a few) must be named in the merging, because if you skim them, you'll find they have 10x the amount of traffic than the Passion forum: The Soapbox The Sandbox I Need To Know Film General Music Books Horror Sport Best And Worst Games Video Games Jennifer Lopez Johnny Depp Tom Cruise Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith Batman Begins Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (2005) George W. Bush

You'll also have to edit the information on a daily basis, to reflect accuracy.User:65.33.8.89

• Delete. This is just a single (albeit popular) message board on another web site which has hundreds of thousands of message boards. A Google search doesn't seem to provide evidence that this message board is commonly known as the "Passion Pit" anyway. --Metropolitan90 03:44, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.