Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pahor Labib

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The result was keep. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 21:19, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pahor Labib

Fails WP:BIO. No sources. Ward3001 (talk) 00:22, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. —Ward3001 (talk) 00:26, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep --Raafat (talk) 02:41, 25 December 2008 (UTC)Pahor Labib Late Director of the Coptic Museum, Cairo, Egypt 1948[reply]

Was an eminent Coptologist and Egyptologist

He disserve a page in Wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raafat (talk • contribs) 10:08, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The reliable source is: The Coptic museum http://www.copticmuseum.gov.eg/english/internal/managers_cv.asp?C_ID=3 --Raafat (talk) 10:10, 23 December 2008 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Raafat (talk • contribs) 09:50, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Dr Pahor Labib contributed a great deal to the science of Coptology. He was a very active member in the group of scientists who translated the Nag Hammad Texts, considered as important for Bible studies as the Dead Sea Scrolls; and the most ancient and important reference for the Gnostics. He was a co-founder for the International Association of Coptic Studies, the most important international forum for such studies; he was one time its president.

He was honoured by Germany, given the highest decoration Germany gives to a foreign scientist; also honoured by a decoration from the present Queen of Denmark. His biography appearing in Wikipedia ensures the validity and internationalism and wide scope of the site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnsmith1970 (talk • contribs) 13:02, 23 December 2008 (UTC) I read all the reasons for deleting an article and none of them apply now to this article on Pahor Labib; after being edited. So please keep this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnsmith1970 (talk • contribs) 19:46, 23 December 2008 (UTC) Adding the post card sent by Professor Grapow to his student Pahor in 1932 in a credit to Wikipedia. How many times did we see a letter in Heiroglyphs written in modern time?[reply]

Keep 491 gbooks hits, among them Essays on the Nag Hammadi texts in honour of Pahor Labib, clearly show he was regarded as an important figure.John Z (talk) 21:53, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Referencing appears to be the problem here. The Google books link John Z provides has a three-page appreciation of Pahor Labib by Martin Krause (in German), which looks as if it would be a good reference source if someone could translate it. Espresso Addict (talk) 06:22, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This article certainly needs a lot of work (too much redundant info there for the moment and too few references), but the subject does appear notable (both in per WP:BIO and WP:PROF) and there is certainly significant potential for expansion and improvement. I think the googlebooks search results provided by John Z, particularly the momorial volume in Labib's honor, already establish notability. The Coptic Museum in Cairo is definitely a museum of world-wide importance. Also, Labib played a significant role in the publication of several key religious texts, such as the Gospel of Thomas [1], where, as I understood it from the ref, Labib published the initial photographic version, and the Coptic Gospel of the Egyptians, a widely held edition[2]. I also see that the Claremont Colleges library has an interesting collection of photographs of Labib[3] with various national and international dignitaries, including Henry Kissinger. All in all, the article desereves clean-up, expansion and improvement, not deletion. Nsk92 (talk) 15:02, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. In addition to the reasons given above, the following book co-authored by him is held by 323 libraries worldwide: Nag Hammadi codices.--Eric Yurken (talk) 02:11, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep.This is an interesting entry for an important scientist in Coptology,

I am one of the sons of Dr Pahor and the information in this page is fine and the photos are not on any other net site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.2.246.35 (talk) 11:25, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep The nom is questioning sources, which can surely be found. His notability cannot be questioned. RandomHumanoid^(⇒) 19:58, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Eric Yurken. Nevertheless, I do wonder about the preceding entry, though. "Cannot be questioned"? Why not, given the lack of sources? In any case, as it stands, the article needs a lot of cleaning-up, containing lots of peacock words, unreferenced claims, etc. --Crusio (talk) 18:18, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The entry has been expanded. Please Crusio can you mention some of the peacock words and some of the unreferenced claims, perhaps some readers can help out. This is one of the assets of Wikipedia: different contributors pick what they see as defects in an entry, and others may help out, thanks.

Just two examples of WP:PEACOCK: "His fields of activity in Coptology and Egyptology were far and wide" and "Dr. Pahor Labib was one of the world leaders in Egyptology and Coptology". In addition, WP articles normally refer to their subjects by last name only and omit academic titles. Many other statements are unsourced (by reliable independent sources), that's obvious, I think. Have a look at, say, Albert Einstein, for an example. --Crusio (talk) 09:05, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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