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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Star Mississippi 01:46, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Paddy Pimblett

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Subject is a mixed martial art fighters. Subject fails WP:NMMA for not having at least 3 fight in the top tier promotion and subject also fails GNG as all the sources except one (Guardian) (only event) are either not independent (interivew) or merely routine sport report. To pass notability guidelines, subject needs to have significant coverage by independent, reliable sources (only a few or several) where by the sources talk about the subject in depth and in detail and not only merely passing mention. BTW, there is a draft article Draft:Paddy Pimblett about the sujbect in Wikipedia and subject might be have a fight in July 23, 2022 at UFC Fight Night: Blaydes vs. Aspinall, then we will moved the to the mainspace but not until such time when the subject is notable. Pls note: popularity is not equal to notability in Wikipedia. Cassiopeia talk 23:28, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: 1st AfD Paddy Pimblett here - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paddy Pimblett
  1. Firstly two articles by Donald McRae in the Guardian. 1 and 2. Neither of these constitute "routine coverage" in the scope of WP:GNG. One is an in depth feature on the fighter, the other a detailed report on his fight.
  2. Secondly three articles in the independent. 1, 2, 3. One of these is an in depth feature, one a match report and one an account of Pimblett's activities outside the ring.
  3. Thirdly Gazzetta dello Sport, Italy's premier sports newspaper and a Reliable Source. This has a feature on Pimblett 1 and a match preview giving significant coverage 2.
  4. Fourthly, a feature in the reliable source Fox Deportes, a Spanish-language sports website based in the US. 1
  5. Fifthly, a feature in the reliable source Fox sports, the Australian arm of fox sports. 1
  6. Sixthly a detailed match report on the BBC, not merely routine coverage. 1 and an article speculating about his next fight 2 which would fall foul of Crystal Ball, but is fine for notability.
  7. Seventhly, an article in the Irish Mirror, detailing his relationship to Ronnie O'Sullivan, while the British Daily Mirror has no consensus on reliability, I believe the Irish Mirror is considered RS. 1
  8. Eighthly(!) Skysports a detailed match report, not routine coverage.1
So very widespread coverage in RS, I would say he his more notable, in terms of WP:GNG than the majority of UfC fighters who already have pages. Boynamedsue (talk) 06:07, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I did a little mild refactoring of your comment for readability. I hope you don't mind. Dancter (talk) 08:26, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Your "keep" assessment seems to me undeniable. I hear about Paddy Pimblett very often, both online and when speaking with friends who enjoy MMA but don't follow the sport. He is especially notable and famous compared to his peers, due to his look, antics, accent, etc. Both his showmanship and enthusiastic performances garner a great amount of attention compared to other comparable fighters. What MMA media source doesn't talk about Paddy Pimblett? Even before he ever fought in a top-tier promotion, Pimblett was widely talked about in my country (America). Baz Daniels (talk) 18:56, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and histmerge previous versions as well as Draft:Paddy Pimblett. Boynamedsue is not wrong. Not only that, based on what I can ascertain, the original version discussed in the first AfD also fulfilled notability. That version of the article more than met WP:GNG from the Fighters Only and Insider profiles cited, and anyone who thought that sources like the Bloody Elbow article did not count towards establishing significant independent coverage either misunderstands WP:SIGCOV (which addresses depth, not ubiquity) and WP:IS (which addresses how sources such as MMA media having a domain-centric bias does not mean they are not independent), or has not been paying attention to the majority of accepted articles for MMA fighters on Wikipedia. Dancter (talk) 08:26, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    In principle, I agree on that. It's just that I am not personally well-versed enough in MMA websites to comment on reliability and editorial independence. That's why I limited the list to Reliable Sources at national and international level dealing with news or sports in general. Luckily there are plenty of them. Boynamedsue (talk) 11:54, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I would like to invite User:Cassiopeia to withdraw this AfD nomination. While I do not agree that the consensus among Wikipedia users is that interviews cannot establish notability, the weight of non-interview sources is overwhelming. The Guardian has already been accepted by Cassiopeia, The Independent sources number one and three are not interviews and provide significant coverage. Neither Gazzetta dello Sport article is an interview. The American Fox Deportes source is not an interview. The Australian Fox Sports is not an interview. Neither BBC source is an interview, the second contains many quotes from a press conference, but that is not an interview. The Irish Mirror source is not an interview. None of the sources constitute "routine coverage", which would mean passing mentions of Pimblett's result or box scores. Boynamedsue (talk) 06:30, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Pimblett undoubtedly fails NMMA. However there is definitely enough SIGCOV to pass GNG. ♡RAFAEL♡(talk) 18:13, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep extremely wide evidence of the subject passing WP:GNG --Angelo (talk) 00:03, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep He was a champion in Cage Warriors and he's had two fights and counting in the UFC. He signed a 7-figure contract with Barstool Sports because of the amount of hype he generates. MMA fighters who have similar records usually have Wikipedia pages and they typically don't have anywhere near the public profile that he has. Honestly, if anything, I was surprised that he didn't already have a Wikipedia page when I first saw him fight and saw all the media attention he was getting and I was wondering when he would finally get one. I think the time has come. Johnny Rose 11 (talk) 09:11, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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