Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Outi Alanne
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Kubigula (talk) 16:53, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Lacks substantial RS coverage -- both under her real and assumed names. Epeefleche (talk) 23:04, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Finland-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:44, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:44, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Even without looking up any sources I can vividly remember her book Neiti N:n tarina causing a widely-reported sensation back when it was published. Probably quite unique material in the fennophone world, which makes her quite notable. --hydrox (talk) 17:06, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks. We need, however, to meet wp:v and our notability guidelines to keep it; not base !votes on OR. Thanks.--Epeefleche (talk) 16:52, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- How is it voting if I refer to reliable sources? --hydrox (talk) 23:23, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- We !vote at AfDs, such as !voting keep or delete. But we can't base our !votes on what we "know" to be true, but is not reflected in verifiable RS sources. Here, we are lacking the multiple verifiable and substantial RS sources that we need.--Epeefleche (talk) 00:39, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, such sources do probably exist but given that almost a decade has passed since the publication of her autobiography those sources seem to have largely vanished from the indexed Internet. --hydrox (talk) 10:15, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- We !vote at AfDs, such as !voting keep or delete. But we can't base our !votes on what we "know" to be true, but is not reflected in verifiable RS sources. Here, we are lacking the multiple verifiable and substantial RS sources that we need.--Epeefleche (talk) 00:39, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- How is it voting if I refer to reliable sources? --hydrox (talk) 23:23, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't believe that a !vote based on "sources probably exit" comports with our core policy of wp:v, or is consistent with what is required to keep an article under our notability policy.--Epeefleche (talk) 08:47, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- And where have I claimed so? I am perfectly aware it's a weak case I am building there, no need to get all anal about it. --hydrox (talk) 18:44, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I had in mind your comment above, in this string below your keep !vote and immediately prior to my above comment, in which you said "such sources do probably exist". Apologies if you disliked my comment, but it was as much for the other editors and for the closer as for you, responding directly though it was to your statement.--Epeefleche (talk) 19:10, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry, but I can only reply to messages written in the English or Finnish language. --hydrox (talk) 02:37, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I had in mind your comment above, in this string below your keep !vote and immediately prior to my above comment, in which you said "such sources do probably exist". Apologies if you disliked my comment, but it was as much for the other editors and for the closer as for you, responding directly though it was to your statement.--Epeefleche (talk) 19:10, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- And where have I claimed so? I am perfectly aware it's a weak case I am building there, no need to get all anal about it. --hydrox (talk) 18:44, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't believe that a !vote based on "sources probably exit" comports with our core policy of wp:v, or is consistent with what is required to keep an article under our notability policy.--Epeefleche (talk) 08:47, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talkabout my edits? 11:12, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bmusician 08:27, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral I'd expect the Finnish National Archive to have something if this was considered notable in Finland - but they don't. No news sources, archived or otherwise, that I can find. However, the book Neiti N:n tarina was published by WSOY, a fairly major publishing house; I'd be surprised if there aren't at least some sources available in Finnish or Saami. Yunshui 雲水 09:40, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- There's something that looks vaguely reliablehere, but I can't read it (and Google translate isn't much help; I guess Finnish doesn't machine-translate very well). Yunshui 雲水 09:43, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Article is by Helsingin Sanomat, the largest newspaper in Finland. It's about another author who has published a book on the BDSM culture. In the end Mrs. Alanne is credited as having written about the same subject. She gives a comment on the new book. --hydrox (talk) 18:44, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- There's something that looks vaguely reliablehere, but I can't read it (and Google translate isn't much help; I guess Finnish doesn't machine-translate very well). Yunshui 雲水 09:43, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment more sources have been since added to the article: Student Magazine of the University of Turku, Author profile at the publisher's site, Author profile at the Oulu City Library and an award by a BDSM culture organization. --hydrox (talk) 18:44, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: Per improvements to article.--Milowent • hasspoken 12:53, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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