Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Othman Ibn Al Huwaireth

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Spirit of Eagle (talk) 02:27, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Othman Ibn Al Huwaireth[edit]

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All my searches found absolutely nothing aside from this possible mention ("Uthman ibn Al-Huwaireth was able to meet the Byzantine Emperor and became a Christian. He apparently enjoyed a good..." and ""...there were others here and there in Arabia, but little is known of them. These four were better known because they were Makkans. Moreover, they..." (this even says there's not much known about him) which looks promising but there's no further content available. The article has been rather untouched and offers no Arabic name thus with no possible improvement, I'm not seeing anything to convince keeping (and it's worth noting the article has only ever gotten as much as 3 views it seems, thus passers-by). SwisterTwister talk 04:59, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note article was moved to Uthman ibn al-Huwayrith. Kraxler (talk) 00:55, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep (changed from Delete) no claim of notability in the article, ~~no sources, no coverage, fails WP:V~~ Kraxler (talk) 16:28, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Amended, see below. Kraxler (talk) 00:52, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Amended again. Looks good now. Judging from the citations, he seems to have gained a place in History. Kraxler (talk) 23:17, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ☮JAaron95 ^Talk 13:48, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep Delete - not notable for stand alone article. Kierzek (talk) 15:52, 12 August 2015 (UTC) change, due to improvements/changes made; with that said, it still needs additional work and notoriety still is not strong. Kierzek (talk) 20:10, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Kierzek The article has changed, would you like to amend your vote? SwisterTwister talk 17:52, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Amended above. Kierzek (talk) 01:35, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep and rename to 'Uthman ibn al-Huwayrith. I count around 20 book sources that mention him, so I'm assuming he's notable. He seems most notable for an incident in 590 in which he tried to install himself as king of Mecca under the protection of the Byzantines: [1], [2], [3]. I also happen to own a book reference in which ibn al-Huwayrith is mentioned as one of the three or four members of the Quraysh tribe who rebelled against idol worship in favor of Christianity. I'll try and improve the article when I get some spare time. Elspamo4 (talk) 22:01, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Also worth mentioning that there are a lot of Arabic-language books and websites that mention him: [4]. Elspamo4 (talk) 22:14, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The listed sources are hopeful and please feel free to improve it, because this article certainly needs improving. SwisterTwister talk 22:22, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for finding sources, and the correct spelling, but what exactly is his claim to fame? The book sources are a bit nebulous. I'll wait, and see the improvement. Kraxler (talk) 00:52, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mz7 (talk) 02:01, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I've updated the page with some of the sources I've found. Needless to say, there are a lot of gaps in the information since a lot of the English sources are snippet-view books and I can't make any sense of most of the Arabic sources. As to why I believe he is notable - if my understanding is correct, he meets WP:BASIC by a long shot. His exact significance is hard to state, there is no smoking gun. He was a poet; he was one of the first monotheists in the Quraysh tribe (the ruling tribe of Mecca and also Muhammad's tribe); he attempted to usurp control of Mecca with the help of Byzantines in what is unanimously described as a notable incident in the books I have read; and he was described by Islamic historians as being one of a handful of Christians who lived in the Hejaz during Muhammad's time. He doesn't seem all that notable, but at least notable enough for an article. Elspamo4 (talk) 11:15, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Seems to be notable. Alternative spellings are always a problem with people from the Middle East even today. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:49, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Likely keep - It has certainly changed but I suppose I'll keep it open if anyone else wants to comment for now. SwisterTwister talk 17:52, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - seems notable with recent additions to article.--Staberinde (talk) 18:31, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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