Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Osu!

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Sandstein 19:08, 14 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article has 48 references - all primary. Makes no case to pass WP:GNG Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:43, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:43, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The JeuxVideo ref is not primary. Have you checked the WP:VG/SE? --Izno (talk) 12:11, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I just checked, and there's only the one from JeuxVideo. I think this is a clear delete. --Izno (talk) 12:19, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The custom search simply brings up a lot of information on Ohio State Football team. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:23, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It sounds like you need to learn to filter by e.g. adding the developer name outside the game's name search. --Izno (talk) 12:32, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'd never really thought about that, thanks Izno. However, I still didn't find much to show notability. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:37, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The article received almost 14,000 views in the last 30 days so that could mean something. The editor whose username is Z0 12:20, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not really sure how that makes it any more notable... Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:23, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Non-notable subjects wouldn't get a lot of page views. The editor whose username is Z0 13:53, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Page views are not an indication of notability. --Izno (talk) 12:31, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm just pointing out the high page views because that might indicate popularity which would mean significant coverage could exist. The editor whose username is Z0 13:53, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

WP:POPULARPAGE isn't really considered a great deletion discussion. There's not much proving these sources exist. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:29, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

WP:VG has a search engine (WP:VG/SE, which draws from WP:VG/S) that allows us to search the majority of reliable sources in the domain. A representative search is linked above for this specific topic. As you can see, there are nearly no results, indicating that this topic is extremely unlikely to meet the general notability guideline. Now, it may be there are sources not in English (which are the majority in the engine), but a search of Google's first several pages taking out some obvious non-secondary/independent sources does not yield much of interest. The reason the page is popular is probably because many Twitch streamers play it on occasion, not because independent sources have taken note of the game. (Which is a curiosity, but not one of ours to resolve.) --Izno (talk) 15:24, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I've done some research and have uncovered some sources that provide evidence of notability for this game:

This paper from The Proceedings of DiGRA Australia Queensland Symposium 2016: One popular approach in contemporary broadcast is the use of a camera inlay. This has been utilised to great effect, by a number of streaming communities, in order to document both material and bodily interface with games. For instance, the streaming community in rhythm game osu! (2007) will often document hand movement via a webcam, oriented toward the player's hand.
This article on Engadget regarding the public beta release of osu!: The public beta, available since yesterday, does a remarkable job of capturing the tap-out-the-rhythm gameplay of the DS games, though the dancing cheerleaders have been replaced with static videos for each song. You can build your own levels or download over 100 "beatmaps" of primarily J-Pop songs that were made by testers.
This video from Polygon in 2016: OSU! is a free rhythm game that lets players create a share playable 'beatmaps' for any song. The game, which is heavily inspired by the Nintendo DS games Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan and Elite Beat Agents, has over 300,000 fan-made tracks and over 500,000 active players. The video contains an interview with the director of the referenced games who offers some additional commentary on the game itself.
This review from the now-defunct web TV series Rev3Games, a subsidiary of Discovery Digital Networks. From the around the 2:00 mark: Luckily, as the always do, the diehard fans of the rhythm game genre have stepped up and found a solution, which is to make the game themselves. That game is called osu! and it's a free, pretty open PC port of Ouendan that allows you to add any song you can think of. It's been around for years but as it exists today, osu! in 2014 might be the most robust rhythm game ever made.

There are a lot of articles with passing mentions of the game in relation to a separate game, Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan. On top of that, Ohio State University-related results are coming up a lot in searches, so that makes surfacing sources a little more difficult in this case. I JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 01:52, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Here is one Japanese language source as well:

This article from Automaton. Here's a rough translation: osu! is a game developed with the Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan series in mind. The game quality, frequency of updates, availability of songs, and other features make it more than just a mere imitation, and it is a popular game both at home and abroad. There are features such as being able to form communities [of players] and functions for sharing [music], and the influences on the thoughtful music selection [in the game] are clear.

I JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 02:24, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Per User:I JethroBT, the articles for this game are particularly hard to find due to name and age but it is notable._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 20:20, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: To evaluate the sources presented in the discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ∯WBG^converse 12:58, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 08:19, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per User:I JethroBT, if the extensive coverage presented by them could be carefully integrated into the article, the article solidifies its notability. Videogameplayer99 (talk) 19:35, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk to me • ✍️ Contributions) 14:54, 8 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk to me • ✍️ Contributions) 14:54, 8 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk to me • ✍️ Contributions) 14:54, 8 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete in its current state, otherwise it should be kept if expanded. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 03:28, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep even in its current state per WP:ARTN; User:I JethroBT's finding of reliable secondary sources should satisfy the notability concerns. 9³ (talk) 05:43, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete for lack of independently verifiable notability.

JethroBT did a remarkable job examining sources, yet I find insufficient substance in them. In detail:

The Australian Symposium Paper is about broadcast play and mentions the subject as an example. The Endgadget report comes from an online website that publishes everything that's happening in the video game world ("Endgadget hosts the archives and expertise of early digital publishing players like Joystiq, TUAW and gdgt"). As to the "Polygon source", well, YouTube-sourced material gets a very cold welcome in Wikipedia. The mention of osu! in the now-defunct Rev3Games's YouTube channel is the only one that scrapes the surface of notability. (The nature of reviews is unimportant. A product can be universally assessed as "awful" and still be notable.) I truly see nothing that could merit a Keep. With the utmost respect, what is "passing mentions" to JethroBT reads mostly like "trivial mentions" to me. And they mainly come from the self-congratulatory world of video game media. -The Gnome (talk) 09:47, 14 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.