Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Osarhieme Osadolor

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The result was keep. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:41, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Osarhieme Osadolor[edit]

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Unexplained PROD removal by article creator, here we are. Fails WP:NACADEMIC; WP:GNG, only potentially significant role held was acting vice-chancellor of the Ambrose Alli University - WP:POLOUTCOMES here helps us, "Civil servants who assume a political office on an interim or caretaker basis are not considered notable just for having briefly held that office, even if holders of the office are normally considered notable." Coverage relates only to appointment/removal - this is not notability. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 14:48, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators and Nigeria. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 14:48, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Alexandermcnabb: where are you seeing that the subject is a civil servant? If there are additional sources you're pulling from which aren't currently on the page please add them. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 15:15, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning delete based on current sourcing, willing to reconsider if additional sources are provided. Hope someone can do a non-English source search. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 15:29, 5 July 2022 (UTC) [reply]
Keep, I messaged a Professor friend from West Africa and they confirmed exactly what Kaizenify and Elemimele have been saying. The VC is the highest professional position at the University and is held by a career academic or administrator, the chancellor is just a local or national notable who generally doesn't do anything besides collect a check. That means the subject here meets WP:NACADEMIC six. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:35, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, As the article creator; going back to the edit summary of the PROD removal here which explain: “The subject clearly satisfy the criteria 6 of wp:NACADEMIC as “The person has held a highest-level elected or appointed administrative post at a major academic institution” whether as acting or not; he served as the highest official of the university for a period of 10 months where he governed the academic institution”. In Nigeria, the vice chancellor is regarded as the highest level for an academic institution on whether as acting or not; it is appointed based on pedigree within the academic area and this duly satisfy criteria 6 of WP:NACADEMIC; also beyond being a VC, the subject also satisfy criteria 1 and 4 of WP:NACADEMIC as their works has contributed significantly to the academic and research work in Nigeria history with publications like this, this and this which has contributed to the retrieval of Benin and Nigeria artefacts from different part of the world. Kaizenify (talk) 15:34, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can you clarify something for me? Ambrose Alli University seems to show both a chancellor and a vice chancellor, are you saying that the vice chancellor is the actual person in charge and the chancellor is just a figurehead? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:15, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you Horse Eye’s Back; chancellor in Government public universities in Nigeria are usually a ceremonial non-resident head of the university mainly traditional leaders and monarchs with no administrative effect in the school and academic experiences. The vice chancellor is the administrative and academic head and the highest appointment of the institution. Kaizenify (talk) 16:30, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at the person described as chancellor at WP's article on the university, it is Yahaya Abubakar who is clearly not the academic in charge. It is a very common misconception that vice chancellors are somehow second in command. In most universities where the VC is named, they are the absolute head, the chancellor being some sort of figure-head who might make the occasional appearance for ceremonial reasons, but who has no influence over the running of the university. This university's own website names its vice-chancellor, but not its chancellor [1] Elemimele (talk) 16:25, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To be clear, what you say is true for universities modeled on the British system. In the US, the titles are different. The US university at which I work has a chancellor who is the academic in charge, and a vice chancellor who works under the chancellor (focused more on managing the campus and less on external affairs). We do not have ceremonial chancellors. But I believe that in Nigeria, VC is the real head. —David Eppstein (talk) 16:44, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm leaning towards keep. There appears to be a story behind his appointment, with his role as more than just caretaker [2] He has clearly published respectably in his field, and vice-chancellors are the top of the heap. We can't redirect to Ambrose Alli University because he's not mentioned there; in fact we're not serving our readers well, as Ignatius A. Onimawo describes this predecessor as a former vice-chancellor without explaining what happened. My feeling is that we would probably accept an article about someone who became vice-chancellor of a middle-sized UK or US university by government decree following a mess-up (rightly considering this to be a major matter in academic circles) so we should be biased towards doing the same for Nigeria. Elemimele (talk) 16:25, 5 July 2022 (

Comment. Do we have any guidance on what a "major university" or "significant accredited college" is? Is it relative to the region, or on an absolute scale? It would be helpful to know the background on this criterion -- was it included from the assumption that university heads would have had sufficient academic impact as researchers before going into administration, or was there an expectation that such positions always garner GNG coverage? Also, he seems to have only been an interim/acting VC, which would not meet C6. JoelleJay (talk) 23:38, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@JoelleJay: C6 does not exclude interim/acting leaders, holding the position is all that is required. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 02:43, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There's a fair level of consensus on this: for the two most recent discussions see here and here. Interim/acting presidents/VCs have not undergone the degree of vetting performed on candidates for the actual VC position; this scrutiny has been considered an essential prerequisite for the assumptions of C6. JoelleJay (talk) 06:35, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Linked consensus seems to go the other way... The argument that a "confirmed" VC who serves for a single day is automatically notable but an acting VC who serves for a decade (a reality in some systems) is not just can't be taken seriously. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 21:42, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's in fact totally reasonable to assume NPROF notability for a VC who only serves one day (and not for a long-term acting VC): the whole reason we have that criterion is because it demonstrates other people have decided that person's academic background (etc.) is extraordinary enough to meet the stringent standards for VCship. It's essentially the same as designating someone a distinguished professor; the notability comes from their being independently evaluated as worthy of the distinction, not for how long they've had it. And I'm not seeing how the linked discussions point to a different consensus. Maybe David Eppstein could weigh in here? JoelleJay (talk) 00:31, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Acting VC of a university counts per WP:PROF. Gusfriend (talk) 04:15, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep — served as the VC of a Nigerian university. Satisfies WP:NACADEMIC#6. Best, R E A D I N G ^{Talk to the Beans?} 20:51, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Vice Chancellor is the highest position of any university in Nigeria, that's why there are "Deputy Vice Chancellor" who is second to the VC. Comr Melody Idoghor (talk) 22:36, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It appers to meet WP:PROF Kazanstyle (talk) 17:16, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.