Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Orthodox Syrian Sunday School Association of the East

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The result was delete. Vanamonde (talk) 21:03, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Orthodox Syrian Sunday School Association of the East[edit]

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The article fails WP:N and WP:RS. Gfosankar (talk) 15:27, 5 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete the subject fails notability criteria WP:NORG. All the sources are self published and controlled by the church. --DBig Xrayᗙ 15:35, 5 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep satisfies WP:ORG--PATH SLOPU^(Talk) 16:15, 5 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User:Path slopu Please see WP:JUSTAPOLICY You will need to explain with sources why you believe it passes WP:NORG--DBig Xrayᗙ 16:40, 5 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete unless independent sources are identified. b ui dhe (formerly Catrìona) 19:21, 5 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - can't find anything to suggest notability Spiderone 23:20, 5 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@DBigXray:Can we keep the article if we remove the citations which is not independent?--PATH SLOPU^(Talk) 05:41, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the citations which is against the WP:ORGIND. There are another journals and books have details about this topic. I think, it had better that add the citations from it. Thank you.--PATH SLOPU^(Talk) 05:48, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@DBigXray, Buidhe, and Spiderone:Please see the new citations given by me from an independent publication which have information about this topic.--PATH SLOPU^(Talk) 06:10, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: PATH SLOPU added four references to the same source, two pages in some sort of print source. I can't evaluate reliability and even if CORPDEPTH is met, we still need multiple independent sources for WP:NCORP. b ui dhe (formerly Catrìona) 06:13, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Buidhe:I added some more sources have details about the topic which is published by others in their books.--PATH SLOPU^(Talk) 06:38, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The sources which you cited are published by same church. Again it fails WP:RS. Gfosankar (talk) 08:41, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User:Path slopu I agree with @Buidhe:'s observation. Both the sources you added are from church. For example

first was "Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church MOSC Sabhavijnanakosham; meaning "~~The Fathers who led the Sabha(meeting)~~ Encyclopedia of church ^{corrected see below}" . from enacademic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/11537283 indianchristianity.org"
Vaideeka Sangham is from Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church, Adoor Kadampanadu Diocese.

So clearly both are WP:SPS from same Church. If there are sources independent of the church then you can present them here at AfD. regards --DBig Xrayᗙ 12:01, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@DBigXray:Sabhavijnanakosham(meaning:Encyclopedia of church) is Published by Orthodox Theological Seminary, Kottayam.--PATH SLOPU^(Talk) 12:13, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This work was not published by OSSAE. OSSAE is an independent movement regarding to church. Similarly OTS is an independent institution. So I think that is not WP:SPS. It is from the publication of a separate institution. I removed the citations from OSSAE website because of WP:ORGIND and WP:SPS. But the book is by another one's. They are not officially by church. So it is not self published. Also, I didn't cited any from Vaideeka Sangham. It is only a wing of that diocese. I think you may misunderstood from this website. It is a copy from this wikipedia article's older version. Thank you.--PATH SLOPU^(Talk) 12:28, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User:Path slopu thanks for clarification, It would be best if you can present sources from Kerala or Indian newspapers, books, magazines such as The Hindu for example. That would really help the notability. --DBig Xrayᗙ 12:34, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@DBigXray:Thank you for your advice. I will try for such citations. Thank you.--PATH SLOPU^(Talk) 12:41, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete pending identification of reliable sources on the topic. Regards. — $f r +$ 04:34, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@FR30799386:I had placed the citations from different sources. I had removed some citations because of WP:SPS and WP:ORGIND. But this new citations are reliable for topic. Finding citations from journals, newspapers, etc are quite difficult. So I depended encyclopedias and books. Thank you.--PATH SLOPU^(Talk) 14:12, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I took the source as per the WP:PUBLISHED, WP:TERTIARY.--PATH SLOPU^(Talk) 14:18, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User:Path slopu If we are unable to find any independent source per Wikipedia:Notability_(organizations_and_companies)#Examples_of_dependent_coverage and only coverage is found in the church literature then that in itself is a confirmation that the subject lacks notability in the WP:MAINSTREAM media. regards.--DBig Xrayᗙ 14:47, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If there is not enough coverage of the Association in oits own right then it can be merged into Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church. Rathfelder (talk) 09:54, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@DBigXray:@FR30799386 and Buidhe:I have added some source from a reputed newspaper Malayala Manorama in Kerala and from a website not regarding to church. I think this satisfies the reliability and notability. Regards.--PATH SLOPU^(Talk) 15:47, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@DBigXray, FR30799386, and Buidhe:I added the quotations of source in Malayalam in article's talk page. Please check--PATH SLOPU^(Talk) 11:21, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Kerala-related deletion discussions. PATH SLOPU^(Talk) 13:53, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User:Path slopu I reviewed both of your lines on the talk page, and that kind of coverage amounts to "passing mentions" and 1-2 line coverage, which is different from in-depth coverage that is needed for WP:SIGCOV. so I will continue with my Delete opinion. --DBig Xrayᗙ 14:33, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have added new sources from newspapers like Malayala Manorama and Mathrubhumi. They are reliable sources. The publishers haven't any relations with the topic. The are independent. I think this satisfy WP:ORGIND. Regards.--PATH SLOPU^(Talk) 15:19, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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