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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 13:49, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Orphic, Inc.

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The page is about a company that doesn't appear to have actually done anything at all. The page was created by a user with the same name as the owner of the site, whom the article only refers to by his first name. Altogether, this suggests to me that this is nothing more than a vanity page. grubber 15:12, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Speedy Delete under CSD A7 as a non notable company. People at school thinks he's a billionaire because he owns a company. It is a very interesting place. BUY STUFF! I think that says it all. --Cyrus Andiron 15:20, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as hugely non-notable (WP:CORP I guess) and almost devoid of encyclopediac content at all. Orphic, inc article about same company by same author (Kaio393; note likely WP:COI) was speedied earlier this year. DMacks 21:35, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Save Orphic is a company. We do make products. Try and do some research. And a person has a right to edit thier company's own wiki page, I never saw any rules against that. Wouldn't you rather have to facts straight, than none at all? So try to do some research: [[1]] Kaio393 14:03, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • After reading through the official company homepage, I still have NO idea what your company purports to do. Wikipedia only allows articles for people, companies, things, ideas, etc that are deemed "notable" -- how else do we ensure that WP does not have 7 billion biography articles, one for each inhabitant of the planet? Even you acknowledge that your company hasn't done much yet (as of 12/2006). When your company satisfies the criteria for inclusion in WP, I hope you create an article for it. Until then, it is my judgment that the company is not (yet) notable. - grubber 17:34, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • We have made several videos, one of which has over four thousand views on the popular website, YouTube. We have made several podcasts. We have made hundreds of graphics, and most of which were requests by members. We have done plenty to be notable. Please allow our page to stay Kaio393 13:54, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • I would like to give you the chance to provide the following information, which will support your case that your company is notable. To be considered notable, your company must "be the subject of secondary sources. Such sources must be reliable, independent of the subject and independent of each other." (This is from WP:CORP#Primary criterion). Can you provide secondary, independent, reliable sources that talk about your products? - grubber 15:03, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yes, on the podcast [[2]], they have spoken about us a bit, the most recent is on episode 23. I provided some music and graphics for them on that episode. Some more: [[3]] - Kaio393 15:56, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • The second link you provide is a forum post by you, which is not an independent source. As for the site psphacking101.com, Orphic is never mentioned outside the site's forums [4], and you are involved in every forum posting I looked at in a cursory sample I did. Again, that's not independent. As for the podcast, I listened to episode 23 and the only reference I heard was a quick "thanks" to you for doing graphics and music at the end. Do you have any other secondary sources? - grubber 17:40, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • our new Admin, Dack, made a video BEFORE he was an Admin or even a member of Orphic talking about it. Does this count? http://orphicinc.com/mysticmovies/index.html Also we do have podcasts out, we have made movies, we have made a couple of apps for the PSP. Aren't those concidered notable products? I mean they mentioned one of our projects on WiiHacking101.com The PSP Sensor Bar.Kaio393 20:44, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Orphic, is owrth it. We do graphics and we are trying to grow. At the moment we are doing PSP customizations, PSP hacking, Graphics, Pod Casting anf many other things.rob
        • I appreciate the work you are doing to grow as a company. Wikipedia is a place for things that are already notable, not for things that could be notable someday or have the potential to be notable. I haven't seen evidence yet to convince me that the company fulfills WP's requirements. If you can provide secondary sources like I asked of Kai, that would definitely help your case. - grubber 13:15, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • I am supposedly to be in a future podcast, which they talk about Orphic in, so hopefully this will delay the delete of this orphic wiki
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