Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Organizations of the Dune universe

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. Overall consensus is for the article to be retained. There are several various ideas herein regarding how to move forward with the article. Discussion about the article's focus, organization, rename ideas, etc. can be further discussed at Talk:Organizations of the Dune universe. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 12:46, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Organizations of the Dune universe

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This is effectively a WP:ALLPLOT, WP:NLIST/WP:GNG failing plot summary of a fragment of the Dune universe (franchise), poorly defined as well (Fremen are not an "organization", nor are Mentats or the "Thinking machines" - likely those are artifacts from prior AfDs closed as mergers, pushing the problem down the road...). There is some content here that is off-topic but might be mergeable elsewhere, such as the sentence from the lead that "Herbert's concepts of human evolution and technology have been analyzed and deconstructed in at least one book, The Science of Dune (2008)" , but overall this is a fancrufty mess that at best can be SOFDELETED and redirected to Dune (franchise). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:34, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Science fiction and fantasy. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:34, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and tag – This article is fully sourced and provides a good overview to the series background and their universe. I think it would be good if it was trimmed and tagged for notability/real world info, such as what critics/audiences/readers/the authors and producers etc thought about it and the development and the reception. Also just making it seem less in universe would be a good idea in order to make it more relevant to the real world and more in line with notability standards. At the very least, this could be merged and redirected to the main series page under settings and context/plot, or draftified until it is cut and more Real world context is added. But I absolutely do *not* think it should be deleted.

DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 08:47, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep but rename to Factions of Dune (in a similar manner as Factions of Halo). I would be surprised if they are not notable as a group though, and the problems described in this AfD amount to WP:SURMOUNTABLE (AfD is not cleanup). ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:03, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - A good place to merge the various stand-alone lists and articles related to these organizations. "Factions" seems odd as applied to this universe. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 17:22, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and rename per Zxcvbnm. Individual entities are substantially notable, should be a WP:SS parent for those and a merge destination for those which are not. Jclemens (talk) 18:42, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, and I'm amenable to replacing "organizations" with "factions". This list is the redirect destination for most of the listed topics, and was created as both a consolidation of smaller articles and a more detailed explanation of certain topics beyond what could be adequately covered in Dune (franchise) or Glossary of Dune (franchise) terminology. The factions listed here are pretty key to the franchise and can be complex to understand. I think any sourcing or notability issues will be easy to resolve, because with the advent of the Villeneuve films, there is a lot more media coverage available on some of these topics than when the list was created.— TAnthony^Talk 18:57, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.