Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Orbit Culture

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Nobody has rebutted the assessment that the sources proposed are of poor quality or depth. Sandstein 12:43, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Orbit Culture[edit]

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Non-notable band, absolutely no evidence of meeting any WP:BAND criteria for inclusion. Albums are self-released, and references are primary sources. I was unable to find significant coverage in anything but obscure sources. A draft version of this was deleted as WP:G12 copyvio of https://soundcloud.com/orbitculture but this version seems OK with just minor phrasing copied. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:35, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 21:06, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sweden-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 21:06, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, no evidence of notability. ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 11:56, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Administrator note Page semi-protected due to persistent socking; cf Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Bl4ckSireen. AGK ■ 13:15, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Despite the socking and copyvio, there are two in-depth third-party sources establishing notability via WP:GNG: Overdrive magazine and Dead Rhetoric website. Binksternet (talk) 15:27, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Contrary to the above "keep" comment, neither Overdrive magazine and Dead Rhetoric website are particularly independent coverage. Overdrive's "About Us" section contains contact information along with this solicitation: "... Want to be featured on Overdrive? Get in touch!" Dead Rhetoric's contact info likewise includes solicitation for: "... band interview and review submissions." Such websites fail reliability in that they encourage and accept self-promotional content. ShelbyMarion (talk) 20:38, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I was about to reply similarly, that any web site that solicits material makes for a questionable reliable or independent source. These seem like niche publications also, not what I'd consider mainstream coverage. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:58, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Niche is fine. It doesn't need to be mainstream if there are enough significant niche sources, especially if we're dealing with niche genres like this one. That said, as pointed out, these particular niche sources aren't significant, per their open solicitation of promotional content. ShelbyMarion (talk) 23:52, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Thanks for sharing your thoughts on my article. I added a new reference related to the Redfog album and I will be grateful if you could consider that as well and not delete my article. I'll try to improve my article in the best way I can if I can find anything useful I'll add it to my article for sure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bl4ckSireen (talk • contribs) 18:59, 9 November 2018 (UTC) — Bl4ckSireen (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
@Bl4ckSireen: Well, you added a couple of reviews to one of their albums. One publication (Stormbringer) looks OK but the other is a blog, which isn't OK. So in total we have just one decent source, which still isn't enough, I'm afraid. This band looks like they're poised to become notable, but for now it seems WP:TOOSOON. If I were you, I'd move this to draft space or your user space for incubation while waiting for the band to get more coverage. ~Anachronist (talk) 07:49, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What about the other sources like Dead Rhetoric or Overdrive Magazine? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bl4ckSireen (talk • contribs) 08:30, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Already discussed above. They aren't great sources. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:00, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 18:01, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please check my references again? I edited most of them and added new and better ones. I don't know if this discussion is going to be continued because no one gave any comments anymore and in my article It's written: Keep. But the AfD message is still there. I'd appreciate if you can close this discussion if you found my article better now (Bl4ckSireen (talk) 16:42, 17 November 2018 (UTC)).[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 10:08, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.