Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Operation Sinai (2012)
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Nominator withdrawn. —Tom Morris (talk) 20:31, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The contents of the article are taken exactly from the article Operation Eagle. Furthermore, some editors seem to believe that somehow Operation Eagle ended in 2011, and thus are making up a name for the operations in 2012. This is completely false - the references in the article Operation Eagle for the August 2012 section specifically mention that all of the article - including August 2012 - is part of Operation Eagle. Here are just a few more references that mention that the operation since August 2012 is part of Operation Eagle (here, here, here, here here). There is no need to make a difference between the two - they are the same thing. Activism1234 16:59, 16 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Egypt-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:08, 16 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:09, 16 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Buckshot06 (talk) 22:09, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - apparently the nominator failed to notice recent publications such as these AlJazeera Sep.16, ThedailyEgypt Sep.8, Alarabiya Sep.8, CNN claiming the ongoing operation against insurgents in Sinai since August 2012 is called "Operation Sinai", even though the press sometimes used to call it "Operation Eagle" (probably relating to the 2011 operation). Quote from CNN "Once called Operation Eagle, now Operation Sinai, the offensive started after more than a dozen Egyptian soldiers were killed and seven others were wounded in an August 5 attack near the Rafah border crossing with Gaza.".Greyshark09 (talk) 21:25, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Not sure how credible that is. A very recent report in September 16 referred to it as Operation Eagle. --Activism1234 03:21, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- It seems this relatively new and little known web newspaper is the only source to mention "Operation Eagle" after Egyptian military denied that their August 2012 operation is named "Operation Sinai". I will just give five more good sources for "Operation Sinai" - Daily Telegraph Sep.17, Haaretz Sep.08, France24 Sep.16, Hurriyetdaily Sep.16. Thedailystar 16.Sep. The sources claim that "Operation Sinai" was launched in response to the August 5, 2012 attack, while some had worngly called it "Operation Eagle" (which relates to previous operation).Greyshark09 (talk) 16:17, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Can you please back up your claim that media outlets and the Egyptian military misreported the name initially, and how you would reconcile that with statements in the CNN and Haaretz ref (to name a few) that state something as, "The military launched an operation codenamed Nisr (Eagle) and later changed to Operation Sinai." --Activism1234 19:19, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- You are mistaken - there are no extraordinary claims here. Extraordinary claims are blaming someone as a perpetrator of murder, participation of a country in a war or death of a specific person - extraordinary claims have to be careful, not to falsely blame someone or state a significant event with low reliability.Greyshark09 (talk) 20:48, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Can you still please answer my question? You made a claim, but I can't find a source for this in any of the references. --Activism1234 20:51, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- IN fact, you contradict the claim you made above with this edit! --Activism1234 20:57, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Whatever, this is meaningless side topic. --Activism1234 21:15, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Can you please back up your claim that media outlets and the Egyptian military misreported the name initially, and how you would reconcile that with statements in the CNN and Haaretz ref (to name a few) that state something as, "The military launched an operation codenamed Nisr (Eagle) and later changed to Operation Sinai." --Activism1234 19:19, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- It seems this relatively new and little known web newspaper is the only source to mention "Operation Eagle" after Egyptian military denied that their August 2012 operation is named "Operation Sinai". I will just give five more good sources for "Operation Sinai" - Daily Telegraph Sep.17, Haaretz Sep.08, France24 Sep.16, Hurriyetdaily Sep.16. Thedailystar 16.Sep. The sources claim that "Operation Sinai" was launched in response to the August 5, 2012 attack, while some had worngly called it "Operation Eagle" (which relates to previous operation).Greyshark09 (talk) 16:17, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- As nominator, I'd like to ask for this AfD to be closed with the result of keep. Greyshark has successfully demonstrated that the term Operation Sinai has been used as the new term instead of Operation Eagle for those operations in 2012, and I think it'd make sense to have this article. --Activism1234 21:15, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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