Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ohio Valley Hospital

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The result was no consensus. Nakon 04:54, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ohio Valley Hospital

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--do ncr am 03:43, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

After looking at WP:COMMONOUTCOMES#Hospitals, Wikipedia:WikiProject Hospitals#Notability, WP:ORG and WP:GNG, I couldn't establish its notability, or a useful redirect target. Google hits were mainly its address being noted or adverts, not actual coverage. Boleyn (talk) 09:37, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps a redirect to List of hospitals in Pittsburgh? Boleyn (talk) 09:38, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions. NORTH AMERICA¹⁰⁰⁰ 21:43, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pennsylvania-related deletion discussions. NORTH AMERICA¹⁰⁰⁰ 21:43, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Kennedy Township, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania, which presently does not mention the institution. NORTH AMERICA¹⁰⁰⁰ 21:44, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:02, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and develop. For one immediate reason, the hospital operates a school of nursing and also a school of radiology, and the article is to by kept by wp:NSCHOOLS. The degrees are granted by Carlow College and Robert Morris College, but it makes sense to describe the programs at the hospital article; it would not make sense to redirect to just one of those colleges. Other redirect targets suggested by comments above are the Kennedy Township article and to the List of hospitals in Pennsylvania (rather than the Pittsburgh sublist because it is not in Pittsburgh proper). All four of those "targets", instead, should link to an article about the hospital. And, the hospital was started in 1906 and has a long history, including I am sure significant coverage over the years but in off-line sources.

Some basic facts are in this "Insider's Guide to Pittsburgh".

It was founded as Mckees Rocks General Hospital and operated for the longest time as Ohio Valley General Hospital, and it has a Wound Care Center and also a Cataract & Eye Care Center, all terms that should be searched upon.

This recent (2014) obituary of longtime CEO provides several paragraphs about the hospital, as it is intertwined with his life. That's in Pittsburgh Post-Gazette a reliable source and there will be lots more in it over the years.

There's a long timeline of older events in the hospital's history in this old version of the Wikipedia article

There's this 1904 newspaper coverage of first nurse graduating, provided at the hospital's site but it's a newspaper's account, and there]s this History page of the hospital, and no reason to question it as a reliable source for what it covers (useful in developing article).

"The School of Nursing was accredited by the State of Pennsylvania" in 1939, per that, suggesting it was a standalone school not part of a college's degree program.

Further, ina modern "Fundamentals of Nursing" textbook, i see the hospital is a school: it lists as a contributoer (page v) a Lori Klingman, MSN, RN; Nursing Faculty and Advisor; Ohio Valley General Hospital School of Nursing; McKees Rock, Pennsylvania.

I see coverage of it as a faith-based hospital, including its founding by Dr. Samuel McCune Black, and its management by "Holy Family of Nazareth Sisters" in this book "The Rise and Fall of Faith-Based Hospitals: The Allegheny County Story" by Georgine Scarpino Rsm Ph. D., Georgine Scarpino. That book identifies it as "non-denominational" somewhere too, so I am not sure which it is.

This 1902{?) Journal of the American Medical Association news item, p 1122, covers the transfer of hospital from Dr. Black who founded it privately a few years earlier, to become a public institution.

Although it is about a same-named different hospital, The Golden Years: A History of the Ohio Valley Hospital, Steubenville, Ohio, 1912-1962, is of note, because there are probably comparable book(s) about this one, too.

I added other search terms above, but haven't tried them. Searching specifically within the Pittsburgh papers would yield more, too.

So, keep on the basis of being a school in past and present, and also for coverage as itself a hospital in sources identified plus plenty more. It was and probably is a charitable organization, not a commercial one, leading to even more coverage. --do ncr am 03:43, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NORTH AMERICA¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:47, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete. Found one news article that mentions it in the title, but it is an obituary, so not really about this institution. Other sources I see mention it in passing. Doncram provides a good number of sources. The Hoff's Insider's Guide is helpful. But the other sources mention it in passing (as far as I can tell, Scrapino mentions it only in a single sentence), and I don't really see it as a valid school. I have trouble seeing how it passes the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Hospitals#Notability. Perhaps someone should ping that project and ask them for input. PS. Also found local news here. Borderline, hmmm. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:51, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Commment Well the AFD should be settled by the article being about a post-secondary school as well as a hospital. By the way, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette is a major regional newspaper actually, and is covering this hospital which is outside of Pittsburgh. Thanks, though, it's a good idea to Google search on "Post-Gazette Ohio Valley Hospital", yields more besides CEO article and the maternity unit closing article:

this 1996 article about restructurings at the hospital

"It employs 500 persons, spends 63 million per yr, per new CEO Scott, Editorial / column

a doctor files suit against past CEO, as had filed against hospital before.

I run out of free access to the Post-Gazette though. Also, not from the Post-Gazette:

The hospital has bonds and a Moody's rating, in 2013 [http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-320848677.html Moody's Investors Service has downgraded Ohio Valley General Hospital, Pa.'s bond rating to Ba3 from Ba2, affecting $25.7 million of outstanding bonds issued by the Allegheny County Hospital Development Authority." .
The Nursing schhol has 89 students

--do ncr am 06:49, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NORTH AMERICA¹⁰⁰⁰ 11:50, 29 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per do ncr am. VMS Mosaic (talk) 01:55, 2 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I'm still not convinced that there has been enough hospital-specific coverage, outside of the region, by a reliable secondary source, as required by Wikipedia:WikiProject Hospitals#Notability, to establish notability. Seems like most of the articles are of the "doctor sues CEO of xxx hospital" type, which per the above notability criteria specifically do NOT establish notability. BakerStMD 00:51, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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