Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oh Snap!
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Stifle (talk) 08:39, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Non-notable indie band, fails all the criteria of WP:BAND. Only a single extant article that might qualify as a reliable source amidst the bloggers and Facebook "sources." Their only albums are self-released, they've never toured, there is no national rotation, no work of theirs has ever charted. Article substantively unimproved in nearly two years, reliable sources lacking after nearly six years. PROD removed. Ravenswing 20:26, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:46, 26 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - fails WP:BAND, unless better coverage in reliable sources can be provided. Robofish (talk) 01:21, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - The sources in the article aren't sufficient to establish notability, and I am unable to find any others. -- Whpq (talk) 17:07, 28 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - This band has been a featured artist on two separate radio stations (CBC Radio 3 and The Zone), they have had articles written about them in 4 separate publications (including the Calgary Sun, The Martlet, Victoria News and Examiner.com) and one of their tunes was used for a RadioShack commercial. That's enough to satisfy WP:GNG. Robman94 (talk) 19:40, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - CBC Radio 3 is just a band page directory entry. The content of the band bio on that site is identical to their Myspace page. The Martlet is a student newspaper. The coverage in "The Zone" is mermely rehashing press release material as the same band bio appears all over the place including last.fm. And Exmainer.com is user submitted material without the editorial oversight that we would need for it to be used as a reliable source for establishing notability. -- Whpq (talk) 20:14, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - The reason the Zone created a page for the band is because they were their "Band of the Month" in April 2009. I think it's safe to assume that if the radio station made them the BOTM that they were also playing the band on the air. Likewise for CBC Radio 3. I would agree that the coverage is somewhat sparse, but it is coverage, and the Calgary Sun piece can't be challenged as a WP:RS. I have since found out that the band has broken up, which helps explain why no sources can be found post-2009. Robman94 (talk) 22:31, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. CBC Radio is not a miror of Myspace or any other site. The citation meets WP:RS. With the CBC Radio 3 cite, I'm not claiming WP:BAND #11, but rather WP:BAND #1 much like Allmusic per Wikipedia:Notability_(music)#Resources. This citation [1], the Calgary Sun (a Quebecor company owning many newspapers in Canada) here [2], and this cite [3] means the article meets WP:BAND criterion 1. I tried fixing the dead link for The Victoria News. Unfortunately, the WP:WAYBACK has not yet archived the page here: [4]. What press release is User:Whpq referring? I'd like to read it; it may be suitable for addition to the article using Template:Cite press release. Argolin (talk) 23:56, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply - The CBC3 band page's bio says "Since a blurry chance meeting involving a red union-suit onesy and a smattering of instruments, Victoria's Oh Snap! have been enthusiastically melding genres..." Compare this with the bio from their Myspace page which says "Since a blurry chance meeting involving a red union-suit onesy and a smattering of instruments, Victoria’s Oh Snap! have been enthusiastically melding genres..." It is word for word identical. Now look at the Zone material which tells us"Victoria's Oh Snap! is on a mission: to bring booty-shakin' rock to the masses!..." as compared with something on last.fm which tells us that "Victoria, Canada’s Oh Snap! is on a mission—to bring booty-shakin’ rock to the masses!..." I agree that the Calgary Sun is a good source, and the there is one other piecve of local coverage in the Vic Advocate which isn't live. But that's all, and I do not consider that sufficient coverage to establish the band as notable. -- Whpq (talk) 01:19, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply - Hi Whpg, if you have an offline article on the band, would you please add it as a citation on the article page. Regarding whether the content of the CBC3 page mirrors the myspace page, in my opinion that is irrelevant because it's not there to satisfy #1 of WP:BAND, the CBC3 citation, and the Zone citation, are there to show that the band was featured on those radio stations which satisfies #11 of WP:BAND. Robman94 (talk) 16:11, 3 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - My apologies, but I got the name of the new sources jumbled up. It's the Victoria news already in the article. As for the radio play, The Zone is a local Victoria station, and so it does not meet #11 of the band criteria. And CBC3 is also not a major raddio network. -- Whpq (talk) 12:02, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply - Hi Whpg, if you have an offline article on the band, would you please add it as a citation on the article page. Regarding whether the content of the CBC3 page mirrors the myspace page, in my opinion that is irrelevant because it's not there to satisfy #1 of WP:BAND, the CBC3 citation, and the Zone citation, are there to show that the band was featured on those radio stations which satisfies #11 of WP:BAND. Robman94 (talk) 16:11, 3 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply - The CBC3 band page's bio says "Since a blurry chance meeting involving a red union-suit onesy and a smattering of instruments, Victoria's Oh Snap! have been enthusiastically melding genres..." Compare this with the bio from their Myspace page which says "Since a blurry chance meeting involving a red union-suit onesy and a smattering of instruments, Victoria’s Oh Snap! have been enthusiastically melding genres..." It is word for word identical. Now look at the Zone material which tells us"Victoria's Oh Snap! is on a mission: to bring booty-shakin' rock to the masses!..." as compared with something on last.fm which tells us that "Victoria, Canada’s Oh Snap! is on a mission—to bring booty-shakin’ rock to the masses!..." I agree that the Calgary Sun is a good source, and the there is one other piecve of local coverage in the Vic Advocate which isn't live. But that's all, and I do not consider that sufficient coverage to establish the band as notable. -- Whpq (talk) 01:19, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:00, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak delete: Looks unlikely to pass WP:MUSIC, most of the sources seem to be social networking sites or schedule mentions in the local paper. -MrFizyx (talk) 07:12, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.