Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Northern Inuit Dog

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. There seems to be agreement that the sourcing needs improvement, so a renomination is possible if this doesn't happen. Sandstein 00:38, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Northern Inuit Dog[edit]

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Not notable;
Unrecognized by all major dog associations;
Promotional/advertisement - the only external link is to unofficial 'breed society';
No references despite 'citations needed' template since March 2008.

There has been a brief discussion here about this article, also Utonagan and Tamaskan Dog. Utonagan is already at AfD and I'm also tagging Tamaskan Dog now. SagaciousPhil - Chat 10:03, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organisms-related deletion discussions. SagaciousPhil - Chat 13:10, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The content of the page could be improved (and Tikuko already improved it since my initial post), but this breed of dog is now relatively famous since their appearance on TV, notably in Game of Thrones - the HBO series. I actually came to this page to learn more about them after I saw them on the show. The "promotion" is questionable bc there are a number of societies and breeders that have the dog or similar dogs (see the talk page - where there is also a lot of fighting...which needs to be resolved). Dog breeders (who may have initiated the article) may not be the best encyclopedia writers or willing to learn or navigate all of the WP rules (one proclaims "stop editing my page" for example)... but with more time, many others can improve this article (and the original editors can learn how WP works). A lot of people have looked at it in a short period of time (28 rated it - and only a small % of people rate articles)...plus there are dozens of questions about this breed of dog on yahoo answers, etc. People are very curious about it since it appeared on TV. It should be improved though...and the Utonagan and the Tamaskan breeders need to resolve their differences w/ this dog breed. Angelatomato (talk) 22:56, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I added a link to "about.com" that talks about this dog (and there are other pages too)...The Northern Inuit Society isn't the sole source of information / external pages on the dog. Angelatomato (talk) 19:58, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ Essentially the same breed as Tamaskan and Utonagan with minor unimportant differences that consist of "my wolf-looking dog is better than your wolf-looking dog." Also see discussion here. --Tikuko 17:28, 13 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Soft keep, the breed was in fact featured as a major component of an extremely notable TV show. --Tikuko 10:26, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I understand that notability is not inherited from the show and I understand that there are few to no reliable secondary sources on the breed so it probably fails WP:N; however the breed is mentioned in a couple academic papers studying wolfdogs in the UK. I can see this going either way, assuming that a source can be found that isn't the breed club itself.--TKK ^{bark !} 23:30, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 23:32, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles 03:44, 26 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, unless the academic papers cited by Tikuko above are sources for the article. Miniapolis (talk) 00:04, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, they are used in the article - but the article needs to be cleaned up & cited better. I'd put a box on top that says "this article needs citations / clean up per wikipedia standards" (etc). The "Tamaskan Dog" recently made it through AFD (I never commented on that one as I was totally unfamiliar) but has a different notice box on top...perhaps that box can also be used. Angelatomato (talk) 12:33, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.