Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nokia 7250 (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Redirect to List of Nokia products. Only one "vote" suggests keeping the article in its current form. The history is preserved so anyone who wishes to merge anything can do so. Stifle (talk) 10:02, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nokia 7250[edit]

This article remains a stub because insufficient substantial third-party references exist to make this a useful article; at least, one that's not itself an advert or a review. The previous AfD resulted in "keep" because many users insisted there was no problem securing references for this product, and that it was notable. After five months, the article remains an uncited stub that reads like an advertisement. Mikeblas (talk) 16:23, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Wikipedia is not a directory of everything that exists including every product offered for sale by a notable company. Not every cell phone model needs its own Wikipedia article when it failed to gain notability demonstrated by substantial coverage in multiple reliable and independent sources. It is adequately covered at List of Nokia products. Just remove the brackets around it there and it won't be a redlink. Edison (talk) 16:55, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Very few references, probably not notable and not a directory of everything that exists Anonymous101 (talk) 20:22, 25 June 2008 (UTC)Merge, not notable enough for an individual article (Wikipedia is not not a directory of everything that exists ) but it would make a helpful addition to List of Nokia products, once references are added. Anonymous101 (talk) 14:58, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with List of Nokia products; the product is already mentioned there, but no information is given about it. Information about the 7250i is given there, so why not give information about the 7250? Be sure to get references first, however. GO-PCHS-NJROTC ^(Messages) 21:31, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:NOEFFORT. The topic is actually quite notable: Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL, even having scholarly references such as "the Nokia

7250 was the most stolen handset". Colonel Warden (talk) 09:02, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- Clarification. The reason offered in this AfD is WP:N, not WP:NOEFFORT. There are hits in search engines, but that doesn't mean that the references are substantial or reliable. -- Mikeblas (talk) 18:05, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, it was established at the last AFD that the product was notable and the searches that I have made confirm this. The complaint of your nomination is that no-one has done anything since to add these sources to the article. This is not a reason to delete, per WP:NOEFFORT. Colonel Warden (talk) 19:50, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see anything at [[WP:N] which shows that search results don't establish notability. WP:GOOGLEHITS says quite the opposite. No amount of effort makes the non-notable notable, and if it did, we'd have an even bigger problem defining notability than we do now. -- Mikeblas (talk) 20:15, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Eh? Anyway, I have inspected the sources revealed by the searches above and the notability of the phone is clear. A googlehits argument would be based up the more than 3 million hits for a general google search. That is certainly so huge that it is indicative but my judgement is based upon the more selective searches and the specific sources which are decisive. Colonel Warden (talk) 22:17, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.