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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Meg Whitman#Housekeeper controversy. Consensus is clear that this is a WP:BLP1E and a redirect to Meg Whitman#Housekeeper controversy makes sense and gets strong support here. Davewild (talk) 21:02, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nicky Diaz

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Blatant case of WP:BLP1E. This is not a biography; it's an article about a political controversy involving defeated California governor candidate Meg Whitman. I'm not convinced there's any long-term notability here; if not outright deleted, this should be cut down and merged into Meg Whitman or California gubernatorial election, 2010. Robofish (talk) 11:00, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • 3 hours after the polls close the job of burying the bodies begins. If this was worthy of post in wiki in the first place then it should stay around until we discover her reward or lack of one for being part of the political campaign and the conclusion of her lawsuit. To do less would imply that this information was run only for political reasons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.70.179.80 (talk) 14:46, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It was for only political purposes IMO. Arzel (talk) 02:19, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Not even worth a search term, complete 1Event, political hackery situation. This is about as clear of a WP:BLP1E as one sees; another otherwise non-notable person who has no desire for the public spotlight. Tarc (talk) 18:29, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - as the article indicates she became the face of undocumented workers in America, her story generated protest marches throughout the Largest state in the US. Her case likely was the downfall of Meg Whitman who spent over $119 million of her fortune to become governor. Not only is there much more than one event there is still the hearing in December. There are tons of news stories including LA Weekly, Christian Science Monitor, New York Times, Sacramento Bee, Atlanta Journal-Constitution, The Associated Press, Huffington Post, CNN, PBS Newshour, Contra Costa Times, and San Francisco Chronicle among many others. And the Meg Whitman article already has a very brief overview of a complicated story, Diaz is not a footnote of Whitman but a victim of hers, Diaz deserves a neutral telling of the facts not a watered down spin cycle. Munijym (talk) 20:54, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Delete - WP:BLP1E This person has done absolutly nothing of note. If this is the criteria for article acceptance then anyone that has ever published anything, or ever been in the news for anything should have an article. Arzel (talk) 02:17, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"After all the tens of millions of dollars that Republican gubernatorial candidate Meg Whitman has spent to build her brand as a corporate CEO ready to take on California's myriad crises, the story told by an undocumented maid from the East Bay may prove to be her undoing. Nicandra Diaz Santillan, of Union City, who for nine years cleaned Whitman's toilets and washed her family's laundry, has almost single-handedly rewritten the narrative of the governor's race in a way that Democratic candidate Jerry Brown couldn't have dreamed up." Carboload (talk) 02:21, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you're really understanding the gist of WP:BLP1E. How many sources talk about her or how important you (and I'll note that you and Munijym have edited pretty much exclusively in this topic area) think the subject is; if they are only known for one event and are otherwise unimportant, then that generally fails our notability criteria. Tarc (talk) 13:10, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Those of you who are insisting that this is not even worth a search term, completely non-notable, etc. - I assume you are not from California. This was a big story here, and her name is likely to remain a search term for quite a while. I don't think she is notable enough to have an article (those who do think so seem to be offering political arguments rather than encyclopedic ones), but I do think her name should be retained as a redirect, as I suggested above. --MelanieN (talk) 15:07, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect from California, agree with Melanie. DocOfSoc (talk) 00:21, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • From BLP1E - "If the event is highly significant, and the individual's role within it is a large one, a separate article is generally appropriate." So, California, the largest US state with an economy bigger than most nations, is having a gubernatorial election in one of the most divisive mid-term cycles. The campaign of Whitman, who would be the first female governor of the state and is noted for spending more millions on her own candidacy than any other person in history has her tightly scripted campaign upended by ... Nicky Diaz. Over a series of events and press conferences The critical Latino vote - that Whitman spent an unprecedented amount to get - melts away as Nicky Diaz's story is repeated to Latino and independent voters. These facts are recounted in numerous political assessments before and after the election is over. The controversy is way too large for the Whitman article and is only summarized there, the story is quite large for any other article really and the story is as yet unfinished as the court date was moved to November 17th. Of the post-election news reports I've seen each has mentioned this story as the turning point or pivotal event shaping Whitman's popularity among Latino voters and thus the election. Certainly not one event and well deserving of an article on it's own. I think a "housekeeper controversy" article would be worse and would lose the context of a person who became teh face of undocumented workers.
  • Here is a sampling of recent news reports. I'm sure the Latino press will also cover this story in great length and detail and the entire episode will be a lesson in immigration politics especially in the 2012 elections.:

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I think this demonstrates this is not a one event nor is it a story going away. There are some interesting contrasts between the millionaire politician brought down by the undocumented worker she turned her back on and the Latino voting block that both parties will have to cater to more. Munijym (talk) 12:10, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

All of these links show that this person is the epitome of 1E. She did not and does not seek the spotlight herself, she is a woman whose name was unfortunately dragged into the spotlight becase someone more famous tha her did something wrong. Compare this to the Gordon Brown incident where he referred to a woman as a bigot on a live mic by mistake. we has huge, raging discussions about whether she should have an article or not; thankfully common sense prevailed, and her name is just a redirect to the incident. Tarc (talk) 14:14, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

BLP1E I think has been addressed and the same worldwide notable coverage would also cover WP:ONEVENT, "An event is presumed to be notable if it receives significant, non-routine coverage that persists over a period of time." The question remains to cover this as "housekeeper controversy" or more accurately as about Nicky. Also for "one event" it is going into it's second month of coverage. It seems analogous to saying Monica Lewinsky and the Lewinsky affair were just one event and it all should be merged into Bill Clinton. I think it's much too soon to state that and many news outlets are citing Nicky's case, the statewide protests and usage of the story as swaying the key Latino votes away from Whitman. Munijym (talk) 14:20, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Our policies and guidelines are not firmly written in stone, and the 1E bit quite clearly explains that there are exceptions if the event itself is of significant, critical importance. A guy who shoots a president and a blowjob that nearly brought down a presidency| certainly pass that test. A political scandal for a candidate who did not even win the election? Not so much. It's worth a footnote, at best, in the main article. As for persistence of coverage, it is largely over. There are a few articles in the last few days analyzing why Whitman lost, pinning this incident as one of the reasons, but that is all. It certainly is far, far out of the Page 1 headlines. Tarc (talk) 14:38, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is a very significant event but I wonder how much should be placed in the article as context. To go on the blowjob that nearly brought down a presidency example this is the fired undocumented maid that brought down the billionaire candidate: How a $23 per hour Mexican maid voided the impact of Meg Whitman’s $140,000,000 ad blitz.. Before this story erupted the two candidates were in a very tight race and Whitman had spent, I believe, more to get Latino voters than any other candidate. California is the largest state in the US and it's economy dwarfs that of most countries (I think it's the 9th largest in the world). If she won the then-close election she would not only have made a case for money well spent but also be the first female governor of the state, making her one of the more influential women in the nation/world. It would also set her up as the vice-presidential candidate for 2012 presidential election and would have been a strong tipping point in the 2012 election putting the state very much into play. California has almost always been an influential state in many respects of politics and business. This is a huge story that is reported on worldwide and it is not a single event but an ongoing story. [Meg_Whitman#Housekeeper_controversy]] is a very small and hand-picked/cleansed version favoring Whitman's side, that's expected. To include the relevant content of this very new article in that section would be eliminating most of the context and impact. I'm sorry but really if there are protest marches around the state in your honor there's a good chance it is not a fleeting story. The woman has become the face of undocumented workers and she is a hero to many Latinos. I've added some more sources but I also wanted others to see if there is more in the Spanish-language press. Munijym (talk) 15:26, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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