Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nick Schmidt

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. -- Black Falcon ^(Talk) 17:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nick Schmidt

Subjects are baseball players who have failed to achieve sufficient notability. Per precedent, ballplayers are not considered notable until they have reached the Major Leagues. Caknuck 00:45, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and Comment Since these are three different bios, it seems appropriate that each be listed on its own. I could see multiple listing for related street names, but each player has a different history. Nick Schmidt is the all-time strikeout leader for U of Arkansas, so I added it to the article, which satisfies assertion of notability. the_undertow ^talk 01:04, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above.CraigMonroe 03:02, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also nominated:

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletions. -- Caknuck 00:46, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Matt LaPorta - Being the 2005 SEC POY is notable. Also keep Nick Schmidt based on multiple 2nd team AA status. ~~I cant find any awards that give the other 2 distinction, so Delete for now.~~ Corpx 01:58, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep' - Matt LaPorta. I second that. He is linked to on the Florida Gators page as a notable alumni for being an All-American twice during his time in Gainesville. WTStoffs 02:43, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Casey Weathers- Casey was named a First Team All American by multiple outlets (see his page), pitched for Team USA, and was the 8th overall draft pick in the MLB Draft. I'm sorry, but there's no reason to delete this article and whoever nominated for deletion definitely doesn't follow college baseball. Wpride33
Keep per above.CraigMonroe 03:02, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per precedent on James Simmons, Jonathan Gilmore, Joshua Smoker, Ben Revere, Blake Beavan and the others that I may have missed. Ballplayers need to make the major leagues. Montco 05:38, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure that most, if not all of those are players who jumped from HS to the pros. Collegic level (especially D1) accomplishments give notability to a player Corpx 05:55, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Precedence has no place here, as we are not trying to establish rules for future events. the_undertow ^talk 10:13, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment To the contrary, AFD outcomes express the true state of affairs with respect to what is notable, and have frequently been a basis for labelling something as a notability guideline. Edison 16:30, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply I don't agree. If X was deleted, then so should Y? That's precedent, and is not a valid argument. However, if you are saying that outcomes from previous AFDs have been used to set guidelines, that's a different idea. the_undertow ^talk 22:55, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete College sportsmen aren't notable. The sports criteria are clear on this. You have to play at the highest amateur level or in a professional league. Nick mallory 23:51, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So, Kevin Durant or Greg Oden or Vince Young werent notable till they reached pro levels? Corpx 01:32, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So what's the highest level of amateur baseball if not college baseball?Wpride33 02:11, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It is a very difficult situation. A baseball player in a similar situation as someone like Greg Oden is obviously noteable enough for an article, but there must be a line drawn somewhere. Otherwise, every minor league baseball player (which are in the thousands) will have his own article. I propose that only first round picks be considered noteable. Everyone else has to wait until they reach the majors. Anyway, first round picks are usually multiple record holders and winners of multiple awards. What do you guys think?--Truest blue 15:34, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

These articles should remain because of their achievements at the college level, and now what they've done (or doing) at the minors. Corpx 15:55, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Drawing the line at first round picks is not a very good idea. The baseball draft is different than NBA or NFL in that the best players aren't necessarily taken first. Teams will draft based on signability, their class (juniors have more leverage than seniors because they can return to school), etc. I don't have a problem with deleting players like Parker that haven't played college baseball, but an ad-hoc approach needs to be taken to ensure that notable players that aren't first round picks are still included. Wpride33 16:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Truest blue and Wpride33. --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 16:00, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. There's obviously a line somewhere and it doesn't appear that any of these nominations cross that line of non-notability. Obviously big leaguers should have their own article, but if amateur and minor league players have significant accomplishments (or press, which is why players like Phil Hughes, Justin Upton, Joba Chamberlain, and Evan Longoria have their own articles), they pass the notability test and should be included. - RPIRED 00:37, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So can we go ahead and delete the nominations for Weathers, Schmidt, and LaPorta? Wpride33 14:34, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think that'd be up to the closing person or the nominator. I do think that Jarrod Parker should be deleted. Corpx 16:31, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.