Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nicholas Hamilton (footballer)

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The result was no consensus. Fenix down (talk) 22:44, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nicholas Hamilton (footballer)

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested by an IP based on the assertion that the Jamaican top flight is fully pro. Sources at WP:FPL say otherwise. Sir Sputnik (talk) 23:32, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I created the article upon discovering the news that the player whom the article is about would be joining Dundee, a fully professional club in the Scottish Championship, a professional league as per WP:FPL, though I understand that he has yet to play a league game in said league. If this article is indeed deleted, I would appreciate it if I could be given any further information as to how this article can better follow WP:GNG (other than just simply waiting for more sources of information to be created and thus added to the article), so that we do not have to go through this again. Rossbatchelor (talk) 01:03, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as WP:Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. The subject has not played for on a professional team yet. I'd have him play at least a few times in Dundee before invoking WP:NFOOTBALL here, but no matches happened so far, and won't happen for the next two weeks or more as he is quarantined. Plus, no other notability criteria, such as WP:GNG, has been met. The PROD contesting was correct, though, in my opinion. Walwal20 ^{talk ▾ contribs} 07:04, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 10:37, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - can always be created again if he ever does make an appearance in an FPL Spiderone 19:09, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - the other delete votes sound more like Draftify arguments. While not quite (though getting there slowly) fully-professional, 100 starts in the Jamaica National Premier League does suggest there should be evidence of notability. And here's some examples meeting GNG - one, two, three. Seems to have had a lot of national coverage in Jamaica and Canada regarding recent transfers as well, rather than the typical local stuff. Nfitz (talk) 22:09, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I'm seeing some coverage here. Definitely not 3 articles of significance satisfying GNG, but something that could be built on with more research. No harm in keeping open for another week to review
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down (talk) 16:25, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Draft This feels like another good example of why we have draft space for articles like these. I don't think some editors are patient enough. Govvy (talk) 12:10, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Draft This is a perfect example of WP:TOOSOON. Player will likely merit an article so might as well just move to Draft Space. Why go through the hassle of deleting and then maybe re-creating in two months. He's playing on loan at a FPL club from another FPL club. As Govvy mentioned, this is exactly why we have Draft space and Sandbox space. Also, I added a couple of more sources, such as the Toronto Star a top 2 Canadian newspaper RedPatchBoy (talk) 14:29, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Two months User:RedPatchBoy? Probably sooner - he was loaned to Dundee to play. Reading deeper, he only got out of quarantine yesterday. Presumably not match fit after having been in Covid-transfer hell for eight months (and he almost notable for that!). I'd be very surprised if there isn't further Jamaican media coverage, I only looked very quickly. Nfitz (talk) 23:48, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I said two months knowing nothing of the situation. When I saw 0(0) I didn't realize it was because the season hadn't started and the loan was recent. After I did some extra research and out new sources into the article, I realized itll probably be next game if not the one after that he makes the debut, just never went back to edit my original statement after that. RedPatchBoy (talk) 00:18, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Changing my vote to keep. There are 5 unique independent sources in the article, he has extensive experience in the Jamaican top tier (not FPL), but will be making debut very soon (first league game is Oct 16 - he just left quarantine so he did not play) and as Nfitz noted his unique transfer saga due to covid could be notable on its own. He will likely debut in the next week or two. So Keep or Draft, but not delete. RedPatchBoy (talk) 12:22, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify: May be it can be expanded there later. So does it need to be deleted? Indianfootball98 (talk) 16:15, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down (talk) 21:50, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Fails WP:NFOOTY and WP:GNG JMHamo (talk) 23:47, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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