Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NiGHTS

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Singu larity 09:33, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

NiGHTS[edit]

This is a character that does not have real world information to establish notability. It is currently covered within the main game articles, and there is no current assertion for improvement. TTN (talk) 15:17, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletions. —Quasirandom (talk) 16:02, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, notability not established, unsourced OR. Cirt (talk) 17:35, 20 December 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Note: This debate has been added to the list of video game deletions. TTN (talk) 18:34, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Whatever information might be needed about this character is already contained in the articles about the games the character has appeared in. --Nick Penguin_(contribs) 18:39, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Changing vote to keep per the recent updates and improvement in the article. But it would be good if the games that this character featured in actually linked to this article, which doesn't yet appear to be the case. --Nick Penguin_(contribs) 23:28, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

comment"No hope for improvement"? Look we know that the Nights: Journey of Dreams has a publicity campain that involes at least some interviews with devolopers and developers tend to like to talk about the characters they create for example. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Geni (talk • contribs) 19:03, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I said no assertion for improvement, which is much different than no hope. If you can add significant development details that would not easily fit in either of the two main articles, feel free to do so. TTN (talk) 19:09, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you can show they are not likely to exist feel free to do so. Of course this would require you to do actual research.Geni 19:37, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The burden of proof is on those claiming something, not those disputing it. TTN (talk) 19:42, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You are claiming it is imposible to find real world information. I disspute this. Please be provideing some evidences.Geni 19:49, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I am disputing that the character is notable (the claim was made at the creation of the article), and I am backing this with the fact that there is no current assertion (you seem to be ignoring this) for the existence of real world information. It is up to you or anyone else that believes that it is notable to provide evidence. And as I have told you before, it is impossible to provide evidence that shows that something does not exist or that something does not have a great possibility of existing (at least in cases like these). TTN (talk) 19:54, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Current is not as important as what could be. It is posible to provide evidence that something is not likely to exist if that truely is the case. Please do so.Geni 20:06, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK, this is a pointless discussion. The burden of proof lies on those defending the articles. That'll be my last word on that topic. TTN (talk) 20:13, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting assertion. From Wikipedia:Guide to deletion "first do the necessary homework and look for sources yourself". So please be provideing some evidence that you have done so.Geni 20:29, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

NiGHTS has cameoed in many games, mostly sonic. There used to be a cameo page until it was deleted under WP:TRIVIA. Fangz of Blood 19:56, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Trivia is trivia, so it doesn't really help anything here. TTN (talk) 20:01, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Can you define real world notability to me? Fangz of Blood 20:07, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In short, it means that the character has coverage within reliable sources that depict the creation and development of the character (as told by the designers and other related parties like voice actors) and the reception of the character (as told by reviewers). TTN (talk) 20:13, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, main character from notable game series. Failing that, merge into the game articles. Stifle (talk) 22:52, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Exactly what content would be merged? Maybe there is more than my eye sees, but to me I can't imagine how this content would be an effective candidate for merging. --Nick Penguin_(contribs) 06:28, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: for the reasons stated by Stifle. Fangz of Blood 02:04, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. At least for now. I think notability may be able to be asserted in the next couple of months. Ursasapien (talk) 10:30, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete — Non-notable and already covered. --Jack Merridew 11:57, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, I've added a considerable amount of real world information to establish notability. --Pixelface (talk) 12:52, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep given the notability established with sources added since the start of the AfD. (A lot of those quotes could use trimming for balance issues, but that's a cleanup issue.) —Quasirandom (talk) 16:17, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, and the nominator's reasons no longer apply, with Pixelface's improvement. Tim Q. Wells (talk) 17:09, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Stiffle, Quasirandom and Tim Q. Wells. JackSparrow Ninja (talk) 23:04, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep Dude, unless someone improved the article after the nomination, this article should have never even been nominated because doing so was utterly ridiculous. This article has a good amount of real world material, the subject is notable, and the article isn't really bad, in terms of writing. Ridiculous this was even considered being nominated. ♣ Klptyzm ^{Chat wit' me § Contributions} ♣ 23:07, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article looked like this during nomination. Someone another (talk) 02:46, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The "history" tab is on the top, right of the "article" and "talk" tabs. hbdragon88 (talk) 08:09, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Article seems to be out of universe, well-sourced. Easy keep. matt91486 (talk) 02:44, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Notable, out of universe info available and cited, nice work Pixelface. Someone another (talk) 02:46, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment the improvement since the article was listed to considered for deletion speaks for itself. Keep.--Alf ^melmac 11:06, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
True enough. Keep, and a major thank-you for Pixelface. It's a pity that many more articles must be lost because a skilled editor didn't happen to be around at that particular time - and on that note, I'm less than impressed by the extremely active nominator's refusal, made above, to do the required research and give the categorical rejection of an article instead of its current state the weight it deserves. --Kizor _{is in a constant state of flux} 12:52, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP - As per the other Keeps. Adam Hillman (talk) 20:31, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Move - To Nights (character) per our guidelines on trademarks and names. See Nights into Dreams.... User:Krator (t c) 19:54, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Snowball keep AfD is not for forcing cleanup. Jtrainor (talk) 05:35, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.