Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ngõ 224 Lê Duẩn

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Ngõ 224 Lê Duẩn

The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure)‎ Đại Việt quốc (talk) 02:57, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Not sure how to approach this. WP:GEOROAD seems to be useless, so does WP:GEOLAND. Even if kept, it should be renamed to something else, perhaps Hanoi Train Street, since the article is clearly mentioning the train street as a whole which is 2 kilometres (1.2 mi) in length, while this alley is just the a segment of it (south of the Hanoi Railway Station, 21°01′02″N 105°50′28″E / 21.017307788630127°N 105.84107098863252°E) and is less popular. The main segment of the train is the one north of the station, 21°01′49″N 105°50′39″E / 21.030257222877193°N 105.84425082143629°E which crosses several streets: Điện Biên Phủ, Trần Phú, Phùng Hưng. Đại Việt quốc (talk) 00:01, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's sourced to AfP and CNN, I'm not sure why it's being considered for deletion. I can pull up more RS. Oaktree b (talk) 01:08, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Oaktree b: Please note that although it is called "Articles for deletion", that is not the only outcome. Other alternatives might be merging to another article, renaming, adding to it so that it becomes a broader subject... From my perspective, just by being a popular tourist destination is not sufficient enough to be notable, as it may violate WP:NOTGUIDE and WP:NOTNEWS. And I think I mentioned above that even if it ends up being kept, it should be renamed, the title Ngõ 224 Lê Duẩn does not sound right, when the article content is about the whole Hanoi Train Street, whose main and most popular segment is at Ngõ 5 Trần Phú, 1.4 kilometres (0.87 mi) north of 224 Lê Duẩn. Đại Việt quốc (talk) 01:37, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Here's an article from Time, from this past summer [1] and a local source [2]. Oaktree b (talk) 01:10, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Transportation and Vietnam. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 01:35, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and rename I've been here, a search for "hanoi train street" reveals countless news stories and articles over multiple years about the site, among the most popular in Hanoi. Seems obviously notable, but it doesn't take an AFD to rename or somewhat change its scope. Reywas92^Talk 03:24, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep meets GNG per Oaktree b's example sources. —siro χ o 07:19, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Siroxo: But should it be renamed? I think I pointed out this issue and provided enough proof about the misleading title of the article? Đại Việt quốc (talk) 07:45, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I think a rename probably makes sense. —siro χ o 07:46, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep @Oaktree b, Reywas92, and Siroxo: From my prespective, just by re-emphasizing how unique or how popular the place is doesn't make it notable. I'm voting this because I found several Vietnamese sources that provides information about its history. Turns out the residents in this Train Street community were previously workers of... the state-owned railway companies, and their descendants. Even more surprising, it was the government that laid out this 'neighborhood' in the 1960s. The whole Train Street community is considered a microdistrict, known in Vietnamese as "khu tập thể". This type of neighborhood was very common during the years of planned economy, which is, no doubt, Soviet-inspired. The only reason why railway company workers were assigned here was due to... its proximity to their workplace. Đại Việt quốc (talk) 08:09, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wouldn't this just be a Move then, using the appropriate tools in Wiki? I'm not sure this is the correct forum for what you're proposing, but I could be mistaken. Oaktree b (talk) 19:48, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Oaktree b: Like I mentioned earlier, I only agreed to this after I found the additional sources about its history. Prior to that, my suggestion was to merge it into another article, like Hanoi railway station, or Hoàn Kiếm district (the district where the Train Street is located at). This is due to the confusion caused by the misleading title (which you didn't even recognize), and more importantly, the tone of the article itself sounds somewhat like a news piece and a travel guide, which violates WP:NOT. Given those, I think it was reasonable enough for me to bring it up here. But now, since more sources were found, I am more than happy to withdraw this, which I will do later. On the other hand, this article needs a complete rewrite, starting with a Move and a detail explanation of its location to avoid confusion. Đại Việt quốc (talk) 04:37, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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