Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nexus War (4th nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The "keep" opinions are discounted as they do not address the requirements of the applicable policies and guidelines, notably WP:V and WP:N, which do absolutely require reliable third-party secondary sources. Sandstein 06:38, 3 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nexus War[edit]

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Defunct browser game, has two sources: one passing mention in The Escapist: "Noteworhy UD imitators include Nexus War and Shartak." and an article from a site called "bbgsite" ("a global professional browser based game portal") which doesn't seem a reliable source and could well be just a press release. Was deleted twice before. Sloane (talk) 20:13, 26 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions. (G·N·B·S·RS·Talk) Sloane (talk) 00:50, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment You'd think that if the article keeps on getting recreated, that there's bound to be at least some noteworthiness to it. Or is this going to be another one of those "Source Y is not notable, but Source Z is" kind of discussions? "[C]ould well just be a press release" does not instill confidence as to things being thoroughly checked out. --moof (talk) 11:17, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment But hey, a filk song was written about it. To the tune of American Pie! I guess that means something.--Sloane (talk) 11:41, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Someone spent time writing that. It meant something to those who did. I'd appreciate you not making fun of them for it.--Jorm (WMF) (talk) 18:18, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete Seems to be a lot of coverage in Joystiq's WoW blog, and a few short mentions in other places. The game got killed a year and a half ago after being up for 3 and a half years. Likely not notable. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 23:59, 28 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep Not only is the game notable in itself (8000 players, independent sources etc.), it spawned an independent successor (see nexusclash.com) and is an important note in the history of browser games, particularly in relation to urban dead. The article is informative, reasonable and covers a minor but noteworthy topic. The onus to provide a strong argument is on those who would delete such a reasonable article. Wikipedia:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_paper_encyclopedia --The Supreme Court (talk) 08:28, 29 March 2011 (UTC)— The Supreme Court (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

A small aside: this isn't a single-purpose account, this is my only wikipedia account. As you can see from the date of the userpage creation, I've had it for several years now! True, I don't make many edits, but I like to think that a single edit across years of reading is a somewhat significant contribution. --The Supreme Court (talk) 22:27, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You have to admit, it is weird that the only place you have edited is on your userpage and AfDs. Unless you make more edits while not logged in, it seems to be a single purpose account. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 01:57, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

- Actually, the WP:BURDEN to provide sources for notability is on whoever is adding content, not removing it. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 13:22, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep Honestly? Nexus War is to me, the direct successor to Urban Dead. If Urban Dead can have a wikipedia page, and is "relevant so is nexuswar, purely from a historic context - to illustrate the point, in the world of browser games, Urban Dead is VHS, and Nexus War is DVD. There are many pretenders that don't really make it very far, including Shintolin itself deleted to the wiki, and furthering themes from Urban Dead and Shartak [again, deleted from the Wiki] - Nexus war may be defunct now, but it represents an important chunk, with over 8000 active players in it's heyday, and with a community that even now continues, I think a deletion in this case is merely due to a lack of understanding on the part of the wikipedia community. This isn't exactly Geocities, but it's easily on a par with games such as Nationstates, or Neopets - both of which have pages. Honestly, it's shortsighted for the article being removed due to it being defunct, it's an important part of the chain, and while I no longer play a large part in the browser based community, this is an important part. --Dark wingstalker (talk) 20:14, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment That's nice that you like a game, but that isn't reason for inclusion on Wikipedia. Try to find good, multiple reliable sources that attest to this game's notability.--Sloane (talk) 00:52, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Lacks notability due to the lack of multiple non-trivial and reliable sources. Although it was apparently featured in Custom PC magazine no further usable sources have come to light. There is no indication that BBGSite is reliable, the Escapist source is extremely trivial, the other citations do not cover the game either and include a wiki and a forum post. The situation hasn't changed. I would gladly switch to keep if relevant sources could be found, but after all this time they still haven't and it seems unlikely. Someone another 23:58, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - article itself asserts lack of significant third-party coverage when it states "Nexus War has received little publicity in the three and a half years it has been active". --EEMIV (talk) 11:27, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - the secondary coverage is as the nominator describes. Custom VG google search shows Nexus mentioned in reader comments/forums, but no significant coverage. Optionally redirect to Urban Dead and briefly mention there, per the Escapist magazine citation. Marasmusine (talk) 15:47, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Quite a few hits on forums and reader comments indicates that it's well-known among people that enjoy this sort of thing. Efil's god (talk) 13:25, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.