Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New York Local Government Assistance Corporation

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Sandstein 12:41, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

New York Local Government Assistance Corporation[edit]

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Article on a statutory public company in New York does not meet GNG. Article's references are not WP:INDEPENDENT. A BEFORE search (Google News, Google Books, JSTOR, newspapers.com) only finds mentions in statute law books and passing mention on something called bondbuyer.com [1]. Chetsford (talk) 06:25, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Few passing mentions in some sources, no in-depth coverage, not even a summary-like coverage or definition/discussion of its importance anywhere. Not notable. WP:NOTYELLOWPAGES. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:19, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 12:40, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep:The New York Local Government Assistance Corporation listing is important because it shows the scope of the New York State public-benefit corporation issue in New York State politics, i.e., there are a lot of them and many hold substantial outstanding debt. This particular corporation still holds almost $2 billion in outstanding debt even though its purpose ended in the mid-1990s. The content in the Wikipedia page itself uses the corporation's New York State oversight organizations (e.g, the New York State Comptroller's office website and the New York State Authorities Budget Office) as sources for its financial, organizational, and mission information.Smellyshirt5 (talk) 14:40, 5 November 2018 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Smellyshirt5 (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. [reply]

I would just like to note that User:Diannaa just removed a bulk of the entry for some sort of copyright violation because she says I borrowed too heavily for a description of the corporation on a New York State Office of the State Comptroller's webpage. That seems silly, considering it's a government source, but I am including it here for whatever that means for this record. From my personal talk page: "Copyright problem on New York Local Government Assistance Corporation Content you added to the above article appears to have been copied from https://www.osc.state.ny.us/pension/debtlgac.htm, which is not released under a compatible license. Copying text directly from a source is a violation of Wikipedia's copyright policy. Unfortunately, for copyright reasons, the content had to be removed. Content you add to Wikipedia should be written in your own words. Please leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 20:27, 6 November 2018 (UTC)"Smellyshirt5 (talk) 00:01, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Smellyshirt5: it might be a government source, but it's a state government source, and that makes all the difference. Sources written by the federal government are in the public domain by default, but the state governments typically hold a copyright in their publications. Although there are exceptions, New York is not one. In short: just like any other source, you need to write the information from the source in your own words. Imzadi 1979 → 00:35, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sam Sailor 14:32, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 10:13, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It is good for Wikipedia to provide a basic reference on what is this corporation, which has to be understood as part of boring economic/financial/government discussions, about budgets etc. in newspapers occasionally and elsewhere. It should be developed more. Wikipedia has articles about skateboard shops and tiny restaurants with 100,000 sales tops. This holds $2 billion debt. That is enough. You try to borrow or lend $2 billion and we can have an article about you too. --Doncram (talk) 06:11, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.