Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Never the Bride

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The result was no consensus. Spartaz ^Humbug! 21:11, 28 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Never the Bride

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Promotional and unsourced. I looked on the web and couldn't find any indepth independent sources on the band, only events they perform at. Please prove me wrong. GRuban (talk) 11:20, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 11:28, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 11:28, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep - I have actually heard of this band many times over the years and was surprised to find that they have very little significant coverage in reliable sources. Everything about them online says that they have been praised by the likes of Roger Daltrey and Carlos Santana but I cannot find original sources that can truly be verified, though the claims have been repeated by supposedly professional writers. On the other hand, there are a few things that can qualify for WP:NBAND #1. They have been covered by Billboard in relation to another notable fan, Shirley Bassey: [1]. Here are some reasonably noteworthy reviews that help with basic notability: [2], [3], [4]. I submit that these sources are beyond just evidence of gigs, as the nominator said, but I will admit that it's still a stretch. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 17:06, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Unfortunately, those last seem to be articles from the venues the band was playing at at the time, so, even if reliable, not really independent. And their tone confirms that: "...an intense singer with radiant charisma is magnificently accompanied..." --GRuban (talk) 18:18, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This debate is starting to take shape of what is currently happening with the AfD discussion for Joshua Fried (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Joshua_Fried) in that it's a subject/person accomplished enough that would probably merit an article but, surprisingly, lacks the requisite evidence to pass the wikipedia article threshold. Based on that it will probably get deleted but this may be one of those case studies of why WP guidelines could benefit from a serious re-evaluation of why some quite accomplished bands/people don't qualify for articles, but other of less accomplishment do. ShelbyMarion (talk) 20:57, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is - how do we know? Without high quality independent sources, we're basically stuck with "this is what they say about themselves", which, I hope you can see, is less than ideal. --GRuban (talk) 15:31, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The stuff on the charting of "The Living Tree" should easily be sourceable should anyone wish to do so.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 11:41, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Living Tree (song) -- This might help a bit, but the original by Never the Bride did not chart. The cover version by Shirley Bassey charted. Adding this to the Never the Bride article, as notable songwriting, can reinforce my own "Weak Keep" vote above. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 12:44, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:19, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Szzuk (talk) 07:09, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.