Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Neo.org

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 03:30, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Neo.org

Non-notable website Blowdart | ^talk 15:52, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The website www.neo.org is the URL created by the Swiss-based Neo Foundation, a non-profit organization founded by philanthropist Bill Liao, social network entrepreneur and XING.com co-founder. The site is highlighted by the Declaration of Earth Citizenship, a document people can adopt and sign in support of more widespread global thinking. Signers can then add their own personal declaration, thus having a platform to showcase their commitments and attract support as well as offer support for other people's declarations.

While still in its early stages of development, neo.org has attracted thousands of signers chiefly through word of mouth. Some notable early signers include:

Rachel Sterne - founder of GroundReport.com who was interviewed on CNN CNN interview Rachel Sterne

Noted psychologist and author Arnold Mindell

Peter Block, internationally known consultant in community building and organizational change

Global futurist John Renesch

David Roosevelt, grandson of U.S. President FDR

Forward thinking academics are starting to sign too. These include Dr. Srikumar Rao, London Business School, Dr. Ian Mitroff, Professor Emeritus Marshall School of Business at the University of Southern California, Futurist Peter Bishop, Professor Prasad Kaipa, Indian School of Business, and Bruce Lloyd, Professor of Strategic Management, London South Bank University.

Notable media people have also become neo.org users. These include Alan Webber, founder, Fast Company magazine, James Autry, author of Love and Profit and other books, David Schwerin, author of Conscious Capitalism, Robert White, author of Living an Extraordinary Life, Sanjoy Mukherjeem, editor of Journal of Human Values, Dr. John Adams, author of Thinking Today as if Tomorrow Mattered, Debbe Kennedy, author of Putting Our Differences to Work, and a diverse roster of others from around the world. The creator and host of the U.S. television series "Thinking Allowed," Jeffery Mishlove, is an early user.

International organizations such as The Hunger Project, Collective Wisdom Initiative, World Business Academy, United Religions Initiative, New Dimension Radio, are also represented by early users.

Intersys (talk) 20:40, 11 December 2008 (UTC)intersys 12/11/08[reply]

Although notability is not inherited, if notable individuals deem a page worthwhile and notable and are making use of said page, then, by definition, that page is meaningful.

As for WP:COI, I just happen to believe in what the site is trying to accomplish through social interaction, so no WP:COI as far as I'm concerned.

Speaking to WP:OWN, I have no vested interest in who edits the page. I claim no 'ownership' of the page or the site. I just use it.

Intersys (talk) 22:54, 11 December 2008 (UTC)intersys 12/11/08[reply]

Delete ~~The above comment is by the page's creator and in that comment there seems to be alot of WP:OWN/WP:COI violations apparent~~. Also, please note that notability is not inherited. Page has no reliable sources and reads like an advertisment. Doc Strange^MailboxLogbook 19:29, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, that's settled then, but it still reads like an ad, with no reliable sources or establishment of notability (which is not inherited merely by a list of who uses it) Doc Strange^MailboxLogbook 13:37, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Non-notable article created with a COI. Themfromspace (talk) 21:31, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Do Not Delete while the text can be changed and will be as more people learn about this article the underlying essence of this project is grassroots. While one person underwrote its launch it continues to grow because people care about the state of the world. There is no profit or fame motive...only to continue word-of-mouth excitement about mass participation and engaging people in being responsible global citizens. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnRenesch (talk • contribs) 00:40, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles are written on Wikipedia after the subject achieves notabliy. Verifiable sources must be given to prove that the subject is notable. Wikipedia isn't a crystal ball that predicts future notability. Themfromspace (talk) 00:48, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I see no sources on this. Just because a couple notable people have used this means nothing without any reliable sources on the subject. Wickethewok (talk) 16:56, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
~~Do Not Delete~~ neo is notable since its users are notable. It's constituency is notable and growing more so…..the entity gets notability from its populace. Are you asking me to find greater numbers from among the thousands who have signed it? Are not links to the notable signers sufficient source data? —Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnRenesch (talk • contribs) 22:09, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't matter how many users you have. That's not in question. It would be dumb to have a rule that says websites with 10,000+ members or whatever are automatically notable. The problem here is that there are no independent, reliable sources on this subject. reliable independent sources are the foundation of Wikipedia and without them, there can't be an article. Wickethewok (talk) 22:43, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment to closing admin Note that JohnRenesch voted twice in this AfD. Themfromspace (talk) 00:23, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed he did, and i'll strike out the last vote. Sorry, John, but you can only vote once in an AfD discussion. Also, please note that JohnRenesch also edited parts of Intersys' wall of text above. And again, "neo is notable since its users are notable" is not a valid reason to keep as notability isn't inherited. Doc Strange^MailboxLogbook 03:06, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.