Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nemesis (Ultraverse)

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The result was redirect to Infinity Gems. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 15:24, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nemesis (Ultraverse)

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This article cites only primary sources, comic books themselves. It does not cite secondary sources, and will never do: this is a one-time character of a single story, the Avengers/Ultraforce crossover, which isn't much notable in itself either. Even the Thanos Quest is not described with good context: there is no "Nemesis" in there, that would be done with retroactive continuity at this character's single story. See here and here. As you can see, the story talks about God, albeit in vague and cryptic terms (as Marvel Comics always do, avoiding to take a stance in the question of the existence of God). So, of two stories, it's actually only one.

If you need real-world context to understand all this, Marvel comics published many comic books in the 90's with the Infinity Gems as part of the storyline. This fictional objects gave omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence and all God traits to the character that wields it. The "The Thanos Quest" story used the panels I cited to explain the origin of those gems. The Avengers/Ultraforce crossover, where this "Nemesis" appeared, is one of those stories. However, being an Intercompany crossover the plot is not part of the Marvel canon. This character, or even the existence of a seventh gem, have never been mentioned in more recent comic books featuring the gems, such as those of She-Hulk, Thanos or the Illuminati.

By the way, there are comic book characters that may be notable even appearing in a single story, such as those of Watchmen or V for Vendetta, but this one is not one of them. There is zero character development, Nemesis is just a punching bag for the Avengers and Ultraforce to defeat, and nothing more. MBelgrano (talk) 22:14, 20 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment If the article is deleted, the non-free image File:Nemesis (Ultraverse).jpg would have to be deleted as well MBelgrano (talk) 23:36, 20 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete It is true (and thanks for pointing it out) that comics can source primary material, so long as tertiary sources establish notability. There doesn't seem to be any potential for this character to be mentioned in those type of sources for the reasons mentioned above. If somehow it ever does, then the article can be recreated. As for now, due to its limited appearance, lack of characterization or impact, and lack of notability, I vote delete.Luminum (talk) 00:40, 21 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:21, 21 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:22, 21 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Infinity Gems or Avengers/Ultraforce, possibly including an external link to the Marvel wiki article. A full merge of the existing contents would be overkill. Melchoir (talk) 03:44, 21 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Infinity Gems. --Crazy runner (talk) 09:09, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Logan _Talk ^{Contributions} 00:05, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.