Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/National Security College

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. It is likely a notable organisation but it needs to be stated. from the nom solidified this, but sourcing and a Hebrew search term had already provided grounds to keep. Some of the !votes do not add up, for example: No web site. No Google results. The sources are mostly Hebrew news clippings. with a delete vote, but the consensus is there is enough on which to have an article. Star Mississippi 15:16, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

National Security College

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Fails WP:NCORP, WP:SIGCOV. 1 refs out the 6 refs is blog which is the IDF blog, 1 is a profile and 3 are non-RS, ref 3,4,5. The blog ref is official IDF blog which the creator states is valid. I don't think it is. The last ref has no details on it. Looking for draftify or delete. scope_creep^Talk 12:56, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Military, Education, Schools, and Israel. Shellwood (talk) 13:53, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep a major Israeli military college for high-rank officers. I wrote a minimal stub, merely to establish notability. THe nomination is without merit on all counts.
1. The nominator did not exercise due diligence, and probably could not, because I doubt they read Hebrew. If they could, they would easily find tens of articles because several times the college came under heavy criticism. And of course, they are independent, with significant coverage. This fact is mentioned in the article, without much detail.
2. Nom's Non-RS 3,4,5 judgment is due to lack of common sense and due diligence: I sloppily provided wikilink Maariv (a prayer service) instead of Maariv (newspaper) (a major newspaper), and the nom probably didnt bother to click the extlinks
3. official IDF blog which the creator states is valid Red herring. It is not creator states it is valid: it is our guideline WP:SELFSOURCE. Yes a blog owned by article subject is WP:RS for neutral factual info about subject. Here the official blog was used to source the date of the establishment of the college.
4. You cannot on a whim draftify or delete an article with multiple backlinks. At the very minimum you search for a valid merge/redirect target. Loew Galitz (talk) 17:44, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Extremely notable, meets both the standards of the WP:GNG and WP:NORG. This nomination fails both WP:NEXIST and WP:BEFORE. gidonb (talk) 23:10, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As usual with your Afd entry, no discussion of the references and a straight-up ideological keep vote that ignores policy as usual. I'd rather wait until somebody who knows what they are talking about attends and is willing to look at the references. scope_creep^Talk 12:46, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I know what I am talking about. The nomination is focused on references instead of sources, where the focus should be per WP:NEXIST and WP:BEFORE. Nominations such as these waste precious time for the WP community. gidonb (talk) 14:27, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The blog entry is RS for neutral factual info, but not for establishing notability Jacona (talk) 14:21, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Need for further research I clicked on the google books search and was confronted with a host of books. Most of these included the article subject in the bibliography, or referred to an event that happened at the college; as the list was large I have not had time to fully process it. It bears further research. Jacona (talk) 14:21, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Very obviously notable institution. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:41, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - No web site. No Google results. The sources are mostly Hebrew news clippings. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 03:29, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. If you search for "המכללה לביטחון לאומי" you will see many sources. Every senior Israeli officer goes through this college since the 60s-70s, there's lots of sources about it.חוקרת (Researcher) (talk) 10:57, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Ok, you have provided a term to search on. I'll go through the references today. We'll do the translations and see if they independent, significant and reliable. As usual it is the pile on, if its Jewish article or an an Isreali article, with litle connection to the quality of the article or the quality of the references. We see if it has coverage. It is likely a notable organisation but it needs to be stated. scope_creep^Talk 11:05, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.