Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nathaniel Fillmore

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The result was speedy keep. Withdrawn by nominator; no arguments for deletion remain. (non-admin closure) --SoCalSuperEagle (talk) 19:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nathaniel Fillmore[edit]

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American farmer who does not appear to be notable (WP:BIO) in any way. He was the father of a 19th century US president; however, notability is not inheritable and there does not seem to be anything else of interest to write about Nathaniel Fillmore himself. Sandstein 09:32, 15 July 2010 (UTC) Withdrawn in view of the coverage found by Nsk92, thanks! (I'll remember to look on Google Books too, next time.) Sandstein 12:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Nothing doing here. Inherited "notability", BLP1E issues and little or no coverage of his own in reliable sources (Google results). Alzarian16 (talk) 10:57, 15 July 2010 (UTC) Clearly I judged this completely wrong. Nsk92 has found exactly the kind of sources I failed to. Change to keep. Alzarian16 (talk) 12:50, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Considering the subject of the article apparently died in 1863, I'm thinking WP:BLP1E probably isn't applicable. WP:BIO1E may have been the link you are looking for.--Rockfang (talk) 11:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~ per nominator. I imagine that there won't be an awful lot of online sources about someone like this, but the online searching I've done has produced nothing that might indicate notability independent of his son. If anyone has access to some offline sources with any additional information, feel free to add it and I'll reconsider my position. -- Lear's Fool 11:57, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- To pass WP:BIO, it is not necessary to have done anything notable or to have completely independent reasons for notability. What is required is to have been the focus of specific and detailed coverage (for whatever reason); c.f. Alois Hitler. Nsk92 (talk) 12:11, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Changed to Keep per Nsk92. I'm a little ashamed that I didn't find those sources... -- Lear's Fool 13:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. WP:BIO1E really applies only if the available coverage of the subject is incidental and that the person in question is never himself/herself the focus of specific and detailed coverage. In this case Nathaniel Fillmore has in fact been the focus of such coverage. E.g. there are chapters/sections about him in several books, such as: The fathers of American presidents: from Augustine Washington to William Blythe and Roger Clinton, First Fathers: The Men Who Inspired Our Presidents, The Raising of a President: The Mothers and Fathers of Our Nation's Leaders. A more detailed look at other GoogleBooks results shows that there is in fact a fair amount of biographical information available about Nathaniel Filmore to support a reasonable article. The article certainly needs sourcing but I think the subject does pass WP:BIO. Nsk92 (talk) 12:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I was in the middle of making the same arguments that Nsk92 did, but he did it better so "per Nsk92" will have to do. Hobit (talk) 12:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Rockfang and Nsk92. There are gaps on the Internet and one thing we can do is fix them. This will require offline sources, but some have been identified. Ϣere SpielChequers 12:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
'Keep per WP:HEY. Bearian (talk) 13:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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