Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Natatorium
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was merge to Swimming pool#Indoor pools. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:17, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
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Beginnings of a WP:CFORK of Swimming pool, which it could redirect to, bringing to AFD for consensus. Polyamorph (talk) 16:44, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- obvious merge back to swimming pool. I think a lot of what's here could be kept in the section on indoor pools, but I can't see why we need a separate article because of the roof. Mangoe (talk) 17:46, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Merge to swimming pool#Indoor pools. I came very close to saying redirect, as the only non-duplicated content are the origin of the term and the gallery which I don't think need merging. However I then realized that the that target section doesn't actually mention the term "Natatorium", and we can't redirect there until it does. So "merge" Natatorium as a synonym for indoor pool. Alsee (talk) 20:50, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Previous comments from the edit history of WP:RMTR are provided here below as context: — BarrelProof (talk) 00:15, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
- "Natatorium" is a very rare term not normally used except in the names of a few specific buildings, and it can also refer to an outdoor swimming pool. Espoo (talk) 08:14, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Until your recent edits, Indoor pool redirected to Swimming pool. What you're doing here is changing the scope of the Natatorium article. I'm tempted to revert it all, since I don't think it actually improves any of the affected articles. 162 etc. (talk) 16:33, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Both articles seem to treat "natatorium" primarily as a distinct facility (a separate building or relatively elaborate wing or extension) rather than a generic term for any indoor pool. The Swimming pool article repeatedly emphasizes this, referring to "buildings such as natatoriums and leisure centers" and saying "If a pool is in a separate building, the building may be called a natatorium." None of the examples in the Natatorium article are ordinary indoor pools such as one might encounter in a typical hotel or luxurious private home. I also somewhat wonder whether that article is needed at all. It almost seems to be about the word natatorium as much as it is about the facility itself – e.g. most of the article is devoted to the use of the term as primarily a North American phenomenon, and the examples and "see also" topics are primarily from the United States. — BarrelProof (talk) 16:59, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, exactly. It's important to have an article on indoor pools as exists in other languages, f.ex. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwimmbad, because they are an important part of daily life in most cities and are technically and in other aspects very different from outdoor pools and should not be presented only in a subsection of our article on outdoor pools. The information that some indoor pools are called natatoriums merits a subsection in an article on the important topic of indoor pool but definitely not a separate article. The current explanation about indoor pools in the intro of swimming pool is misleading/nonsense: "Many of these municipal pools are outdoor pools but indoor pools can also be found in buildings such as natatoriums and leisure centers." This should of course be: These municipal pools can be outdoor pools or indoor pools, and some of them are in buildings called leisure centers or natatoriums. --Espoo (talk) 10:40, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Both articles seem to treat "natatorium" primarily as a distinct facility (a separate building or relatively elaborate wing or extension) rather than a generic term for any indoor pool. The Swimming pool article repeatedly emphasizes this, referring to "buildings such as natatoriums and leisure centers" and saying "If a pool is in a separate building, the building may be called a natatorium." None of the examples in the Natatorium article are ordinary indoor pools such as one might encounter in a typical hotel or luxurious private home. I also somewhat wonder whether that article is needed at all. It almost seems to be about the word natatorium as much as it is about the facility itself – e.g. most of the article is devoted to the use of the term as primarily a North American phenomenon, and the examples and "see also" topics are primarily from the United States. — BarrelProof (talk) 16:59, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Declined I'm formally declining this. It should not go to WP:RM. I agree with 162 on reverting the recent changes at Natatorium. Polyamorph (talk) 14:21, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Until your recent edits, Indoor pool redirected to Swimming pool. What you're doing here is changing the scope of the Natatorium article. I'm tempted to revert it all, since I don't think it actually improves any of the affected articles. 162 etc. (talk) 16:33, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- "Natatorium" is a very rare term not normally used except in the names of a few specific buildings, and it can also refer to an outdoor swimming pool. Espoo (talk) 08:14, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Merge into swimming pool: The swimming pool article does contain the word "natatorium" in several places. Per my previous comments, the Natatorium article seems to be about the word natatorium as much as it is about the facility itself – e.g. most of the article is devoted to the use of the term as primarily a North American phenomenon, and the examples and "see also" topics are primarily from the United States. The meaning of the word and a few examples of places that use the word can be in the swimming pool article without the need for a separate article. The explanation of architectural requirements can also go into the indoor pool section of the swimming pool article. — BarrelProof (talk) 00:15, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - in high latitudes, such as the Great Plains states, Scandinavia, or Iceland, this is a common thing. There are literally thousands of sources. It was actually a mulligan on the Fox TV show The X Files. Bearian (talk) 18:03, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.