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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to George Floyd protests in Tennessee. Sandstein 17:47, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nashville Autonomous Zone[edit]

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This page has many faults and issues, but I think the most notable one is that this said "autonomous zone" doesn't even exist. All the existing reports say protestors are *camping out* near the capitol, not that there has actually been an autonomous zone created like the one in Seattle. The "Nashville Autonomous Zone" is more or less an idea, and not something that is occurring or even existent at this point. There are no verifiable sources that actually prove that there is even an occupation of Nashville or even any large number of protesters currently. Monstarules (talk) 02:41, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Tennessee-related deletion discussions. North America1000 03:11, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This has more than enough media coverage to warrant an article. While smaller in size than the CHAZ, the NAZ activists declared an Autonomous Zone and have occupied it in defiance of State laws + Police. Juno (talk) 05:38, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to George Floyd protests in Tennessee per WP:NOPAGE. Despite some coverage, that does not mandate a separate article. Reywas92Talk 04:14, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Please provide additional sources. There is zero proof that an actual zone exists outside of Heavy.com attempting to name it as such, and it is outweighed by several other sources that you yourself have referenced in the article which state there has been an attempt, and not that an actual zone has been established. There is also no continuing news coverage of such a zone existing. Protestors merely defying police orders doesn't make this an autonomous zone, and you know it. Monstarules (talk) 09:53, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Among others: Tennessee Lookout:Sunday night, protestors were still camped on the plaza, on which they displayed a banner christening the space Ida B. Wells Plaza in honor of the Black journalist News Channel 5 Nashville:As of 8 a.m. Saturday, members of the group were still at the site peacefully protesting. WKRN:A few protesters remain outside the Capitol after taking over Legislative Plaza on Friday night. Some stayed the night Friday into Saturday at the ‘Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone’ despite warnings from Governor Bill Lee that it would not be tolerated. Tennessean:Activists and protesters gathered Friday night outside the Tennessee state Capitol to claim the space as an autonomous zone Nashville Scene:Protesters set up tents on the steps of the Tennessee State Capitol and declared it an autonomous zone WSMV:Protesters formed what they called "Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone" outside the Tennessee State Capitol. It was part of the "Free Capitol Hill" rally. Juno (talk) 16:10, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The media is reporting on these happenings as the “Nashville Autonomous Zone” and this topic clearly meets notability requirements. If you don’t like the name of the article, I suggest you go through the WP:RM process to try to change it to something else. However, be warned that the widespread use of “Nashville Autonomous Zone” by the media means that the title of this article is probably going to stay too. If you find the content of the article to be problematic, the best way to fix it is probably to improve it with well-sourced, verifiable material. Mysteryman blue 09:05, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Please provide sources to these alleged "several other outlets", otherwise your argument for keeping the article is invalid. There is zero proof that an actual zone exists outside of Heavy.com attempting to name it as such, and it is outweighed by several other sources referenced in the article who say there had been an attempt, and not that an actual zone has been established. Monstarules (talk) 09:53, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Quite frankly, whether or not the NAZ is actually autonomous does not impact whether or not this topic is notable. The Principality of Sealand is almost universally recognized to not be an independent nation, but it still has a Wikipedia article despite the fact that it is not a "real" country. If you think that this article should instead be called something you believe to be more accurate like George Floyd protests in Nashville, you're welcome to propose renaming the article. You can even provide evidence within the article that the NAZ is not truly autonomous. In either case, though, the NAZ (by that or any other name) would still hold notability as a group of protests, or even as an attempted autonomous zone. There are a variety of sources in the article, but you can also find some more at this NewsLookup result. Aside from a large number of less reliable sources, I count sources from Fox News, the Tennessean, and lots of local news outlets. Mysteryman blue 19:59, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merger or (weak) Keep. A lot of un-credible sources are covering NAZ, thus they should be ignored - the credible sources covering it seem to be mentioning the attempts to form NAZ and not covering as it as a truly formed autonomous area. I would recommend a redirect to Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone#National, where other attempts to form autonomous zones are mentioned, be created. A merger with the Tennessee State Capitol, George Floyd protests in Tennessee, or Ida B. Wells#Legacy and honors pages could also work. If the page is kept it probably should be re-named to something like "George Floyd protests in Nashville", "Nashville Autonomous Zone (proposed state)", or "Nashville Autonomous Zone (protest)" since it doesn't seem truly formed (unlike CHAZ). Mt.FijiBoiz (talk) 22:49, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment@User:Mt.FijiBoiz, as an update, according to the Nashville Scene the NAZ soldiered on through Sunday and according to the Chattanooga Times Free Press they were there Through Monday, 9&10 News discussing new TN legislation, saying the NAZ was still up this Monday. There has been more coverage in RSs since this article was first published: AP news discusses new TN legislation in response to the NAZ, Nashville 4 News update from Monday, WKRN update published today. I will work to get all of these updates + new RSs into the article. Juno (talk) 20:00, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment@User:Nice4What, as an update, according to the Nashville Scene the NAZ soldiered on through Sunday and according to the Chattanooga Times Free Press they were there Through Monday, 9&10 News discussing new TN legislation, saying the NAZ was still up this Monday. There has been more coverage in RSs since this article was first published: AP news discusses new TN legislation in response to the NAZ, Nashville 4 News update from Monday, WKRN update published today. I will work to get all of these updates + new RSs into the article. Juno (talk) 20:00, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The entire article could still be a subsection on the George Floyd protests in Tennessee article, which is already pretty short. WP:NOPAGE. I've gone ahead and merged some content. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 21:29, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merger is the way to go IMO. I've added some content to Ida B. Wells#Legacy and honors. Mt.FijiBoiz (talk) 21:56, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I have an article saying that the government has told protesters to pack up and leave. This article is dated June 17, 2020. Please read [1]. I think today marks the end of NAZ. 76.223.244.197 (talk) 15:33, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • rip NAZ. Long Live The NAZ. Today could very well be the end and I'll keep looking for sources and updating the article. Even if the Zone only lasted 6 days I believe that it got enough coverage to merit an article. Juno (talk) 04:45, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment, changing stance to Merge Juno, all I'm reading and seeing in your sources is that protesters are claiming that a zone exists whilst no actual solid proof of a zone existing does. It was an attempt, and it ultimately failed. It was a weak occupational protest that was originally attended by a few thousand people but only a few protestors remained actually camping out in Nashville. A lot of the language in the NAZ article itself is also running based off of assumption and is unsourced. You're probably not going to like the outcome regardless whether this is kept, deleted or merged. I understand you think you are doing a great service here for public information, but this issue just doesn't really merit it's own page. Monstarules (talk) 17:43, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - appears to pass GNG. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 17:23, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge with George Floyd protests in Tennessee RopeTricks (talk) 23:08, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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