Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Napoleon Andrew Tuiteleleapaga

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The result was withdrawn. The Evil Spartan 13:17, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Napoleon Andrew Tuiteleleapaga

I have done google search on this man, and I can find no evidence of notability. The Evil Spartan 00:50, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

~~Weak Keep~~ Keep, seems he composed the territorial anthem for American Samoa per this source and others. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps•Review?)} 01:27, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Yes the style it is written in needs improvement. I also did a google search, and got 241 hits, the consensus is that he did write the Samoan national anthem this one being typical, a search on imbd brought up this which confirms the claim he did compose for Hollywood. I searched for a discography on Amazon but found this book instead. A minor alternative spelling of "Tuiteleleapaga, Napoleone A" was found at a samoan culture site.[1]. Using this alternative spelling on Google returned 87 hits, most of these refering to the book I was so dissappointed to find earlier. Many of these hits were academic in nature and it appears that this individual was instrumental in informing the debate as to how the Islanders should interact with outsiders. This piece] at ABC is particularly interesting, refering to this individual as "...the eminent Samoan chief and scholar Napoleone Tuiteleleapaga". The Google search with the alternative spelling also led to the uneathing of Court papers which seem to confim that this individual was indeed a clan chief.

So we are here to decide the notability of an individual who in his youth composed for Hollywood, went on to compose his nation's national anthem, wrote a book which is refered to by academics with regards Samoan culture and language and informs Samoan diplomacy and was also to cap it all was a Tribal chief of his people. In any sensible world this individual definately was and is notable. I think I'm going to adopt "ignorance of a topic doesn't make it non-notable" as my motto. The article still needs cleaning up though.KTo288 02:07, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep If the nominator had done the homework KTo288 had done, would this be up for AfD? Or does he have to write two national anthems to stay in? Nick mallory 02:18, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Nick. If you would assume good faith, rather than making personal attacks, perhaps we could have a decent conversation about this. Thanks. The Evil Spartan 02:44, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Evil Spartan. I am not questioning your good faith, merely your ability to search for sources. You failed to turn up sources, so you listed it for AfD, while KTo288 did a search and turned up a host of sources which attest to this man's notability. You are told by AfD rules to search for sources, contact the original writer for sources or tag an article before nominating it for deletion, none of which you seem to have done. Do you now agree that he is notable and if so will you withdraw the nomination? If you still think him not notable, perhaps you would explain why not as your original rationale has been disproved. You're playing the man here, not me. KT0288 found 288 google hits, including an Australian Radio National programme, court papers and a book and showed the man wrote a national anthem and played a role in national affairs, I'm interested in how you managed to miss all that. Once again, is writing a national anthem, for instance, enough to assert notability in your view or would he have to have written two? Would you like to help me add these sources to the article? Nick mallory 07:17, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.