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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. Seraphimblade Talk to me 03:17, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Naked Capitalism[edit]

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This article frankly reads like an advertisement for the subject and, as of now, it's unclear that it meets WP:GNG.

Of the fourteen cited sources: four ([10]-[13]) are interviews with the website's creator; two ([1] and [6]) are About pages from the website; two are posts on the website itself ([8] and [14]); one ([7]) is a self-published blog post by one of the website's contributors; and one ([5]) is a post on another website by the website's creator. This leaves four reliable secondary sources, two of which only briefly mention Naked Capitalism in passing as recommendations, and the other two of which are short biographical stubs about the website's creator, without more than a passing reference to the website.

One thing that becomes immediately clear upon going through these sources is that they lack significant coverage of the website - often only briefly mentioning the website as a product of its creator, without any further detail. There seems to be more information about the website's creator than the website itself, so if no more significant coverage from reliable sources can be found, maybe a short stub about her could be salvaged from this. But in its current state, I don't think this article meets GNG and as such, am recommending it for deletion. Grnrchst (talk) 12:13, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2023 July 17. —cyberbot ITalk to my owner:Online 17:23, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Delete. Even using the sourcing given above, it's one in a list of items. Nothing at length about it... I can't find much for sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 17:41, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Oaktree b I should mention that the article in the Risk journal mentions that it is based on a piece in the journal Credit, a sister publication; this runs to three pages. People can have a look; it is available on ProQuest via the WP:Library. The Financial Times interview article (1,750 words) actually was one of a series about the blog (final instalment here. Even the TIME listing is over 200 words. There are brief endorsements in the New York Times like this one. I can have a further look around, but even just with those I would have thought GNG is well met.
    The one thing that does make things difficult is that Smith has written so many news articles that it's hard to find stuff about her and her blog in Google News. A lot of the hits are links to articles by her, with the author info mentioning the blog. (Note that Yves Smith – a pun on Adam Smith – redirects to Naked Capitalism.) Andreas JN466 19:49, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Honestly these sources just confirm to me that, if this article is to exist, it should be about Yves Smith. None of these sources refer to Naked Capitalism as anything other than Smith's blog. It isn't clearly independently notable from her, although she is clearly a notable figure herself. -- Grnrchst (talk) 10:47, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    As I see it, the sources are primarily about the blog. Take the TIME and CNBC listings, or the Financial Times interview, which is all about the blog, or the Institutional Investor piece. It's the blog that makes Smith notable, not Smith that makes the blog notable. Andreas JN466 11:11, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to Susan Webber (blogger) and keep at that title. BD2412 T 18:06, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @BD2412 The problem with that solution is that even though Naked Capitalism was started by Webber (a.k.a. Yves Smith), and she remains the most high-profile contributor, it is a group blog and is indexed as such here for example by EconAcademics.org (a site hosted by the Research Division of the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis.)
    A past version of the article included a bunch of contributing writers (another editor deleted them because they were unsourced). Some of those contributors have been referred to or had their NC posts republished by third-party sources; e.g. Matt Stoller here, David Dayen (see [8], Alternet running a piece previously published on NC, also cf. [9]), Philip Pilkington ([10][11]), Nathan Tankus ([12]), Jerri-Lynn Scofield [13] etc.
    So I think the solution is to bring the contributing writers back into the article, with references, and make clear to the reader that it is a group blog.
    (Indeed, if you look at https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/ today or its archives, posts by Smith are in the minority.)
    So could I ask you to give it another thought? Best, Andreas JN466 14:17, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • My impression is that the most notable aspect of the blog is its founder, and everything we currently have about it can fit in a section of an article on its found, with a redirect tagged with {{R with possibilities}}. BD2412 T 19:55, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:17, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment The article has been almost completely revised and re-sourced since the AfD nomination. --Andreas JN466 01:03, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The article has been significantly improved since it was nominated. Naked Capitalism has received widespread coverage over a significant period of time. Thriley (talk) 15:29, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: The article has changed substantially since the AfD nomination, thanks to the excellent and dedicated work of Andreas. As their edits have demonstrated clear notability, with significant coverage in reliable sources, my concerns have been thoroughly addressed and I no longer believe the article warrants deletion. --Grnrchst (talk) 15:41, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, as evidenced by Grnrchst, this has met WP:HEY. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 22:20, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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