Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NHL Daily Lines
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. – Avi 14:40, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Article being brought to AfD after discussion on talk page regarding speedy deletion. While I feel this article may be unencyclopedic, I am posting this to get a wider audience to review for deletion and wish to stay Neutral for this debate. Wildthing61476 19:06, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Perhaps it is not so much the article itself that is inapropriate, but rather the title. If it was changed to current NHL team roster and lines or something along those lines would that be more appropriate? I am going to move this page to: NHL: Current Rosters and Lines as soon as I can, unless that is a bad idea. --Madmarvin44 16:41, 25 October 2006 (UTC) Completed.[reply]
In the interest of having comprehensive and current information about a topic like hockey, I think this article is relevant and should not be deleted. However, I do agree with the name change suggested above.--70.16.35.252 19:59, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 20:25, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It changes too much is a problem but i will still say keep ThunderGold 17:15, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. This is an indiscriminate collection of information. I'm a huge hockey fan, and I can tell you that lines change very frequently- as often as several times per game. Usually, only one or two lines are ever stable for a reasonable part of the season, and more often than not, it's only two players that stay together (ie Joe Thornton and Jonathan Cheechoo), with the third being rotated. The list will be unmaintanable, and in some cases, unverifiable because the lines are fluid throughout the entire game (particularly in the playoffs). As it stands, each team's page already has its current roster listed, so I see no need to have this article. Let me just sum it up this way: even if this page exists, it will almost never be accurate. --Wafulz 19:17, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- In any sport, whether it be basketball, football, baseball, or hockey, teams have set starters and moderately set depth charts. Prior to each hockey game the teams announcers will usually describe the starting lines of the team they are covering, and in some cases the opponents as well. This page is set up to document what teams are using as their current starting lines, rosters and rotations. As in any sport, injuries and other factors will change positions and combinations of players on the ice, field, court or whatever during the course of a game. The purpose of this page is not to track those changes, but rather to state what the current status of the team is, and what the current depth chart of the team is, as far as can be known. Obviously coaches make decisions before during and after the game the effects the information on this page, however those changes do not invalidate the information at one state - for example, starting lines in the last game were X is still a valid fact even if 4 people got injured in the game and the lines got mixed up. The next updated entry would have to show this new information as it becomes available, and probably should be documented when the lines are described. This is not news, but rather is a snapshot of the current and most recently known state of the team, information that I feel is encyclopedic and is not at all indiscriminate. There are other websites out there that can track the change of lines throughout the game, but this page is meant to be a reference as to the last best known lines and rosters for each of the teams in the NHL. Like any page in the wiki, it is only as good as its last update, and with the dynamic nature of lines in the NHL, those updates need to come fairly often. --Madmarvin44 18:25, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- As long as it's kept up to date (will be a neverending job), I find this article quite useful. That's my two cents. --RiverHockey
- In any sport, whether it be basketball, football, baseball, or hockey, teams have set starters and moderately set depth charts. Prior to each hockey game the teams announcers will usually describe the starting lines of the team they are covering, and in some cases the opponents as well. This page is set up to document what teams are using as their current starting lines, rosters and rotations. As in any sport, injuries and other factors will change positions and combinations of players on the ice, field, court or whatever during the course of a game. The purpose of this page is not to track those changes, but rather to state what the current status of the team is, and what the current depth chart of the team is, as far as can be known. Obviously coaches make decisions before during and after the game the effects the information on this page, however those changes do not invalidate the information at one state - for example, starting lines in the last game were X is still a valid fact even if 4 people got injured in the game and the lines got mixed up. The next updated entry would have to show this new information as it becomes available, and probably should be documented when the lines are described. This is not news, but rather is a snapshot of the current and most recently known state of the team, information that I feel is encyclopedic and is not at all indiscriminate. There are other websites out there that can track the change of lines throughout the game, but this page is meant to be a reference as to the last best known lines and rosters for each of the teams in the NHL. Like any page in the wiki, it is only as good as its last update, and with the dynamic nature of lines in the NHL, those updates need to come fairly often. --Madmarvin44 18:25, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep on one condition: It is reorganized as a depth chart, based on reliable sources rather than as current lines, as the present scope is completely unmaintainable. Any individual player could be shifted up or down a line at any given time, but that usually does not change who is considered the #1 right wing, #2, etc. The article does have potential, however. Resolute 04:36, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Resolute. Spy1986 12:13, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Delete I like the idea, but I don't think it belongs in an encyclopedia. Lines change from game to game, and even within a game, as do scratches, starting goalies, etc. Right now it reads like a news story or box score of the last game rather than an encyclopedia article. If it could be fixed somehow to make it more encyclopedic, I'd change my vote - but I don't see a way to do that, so I'll vote delete. --TheOtherBob 17:57, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per TheOtherBob. Kavadi carrier 08:20, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per TheOtherBob as well. It looks cool and all, but Wikipedia probably isn't the place for something like this. -→Buchanan-Hermit™/?! 10:46, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as per Wafulz and TheOtherBob. Wikipedia is not a sports almanac. --MCB 04:57, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.