Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NC State–South Carolina football rivalry

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The result was delete. Sandstein 08:36, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

NC State–South Carolina football rivalry

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Fails WP:SYNTH: None of the sources actually discuss this as a true rivalry, just two teams who were once in the same conference who played a bunch of games against each other. SportingFlyer T·C 00:19, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of South Carolina-related deletion discussions. SportingFlyer T·C 00:19, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, fails WP:GNG policy. The minimal current sourcing of the topic is WP:ROUTINE of frequent opponents. Examples of non-routine coverage might include RS articles which list the most memorable games in a rivalry, reference the current all-time W-L record or winning/losing streaks in the rivalry, include player and coach quotes about the rivalry, and similar expansive/specific coverage beyond a trivial mention. UW Dawgs (talk) 01:21, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Leaning to keep. The series has a long history dating to 1900 and has been contested 58 times. It is evenly split and features Power Five programs from bordering states. The teams also played each other as the last game of the season for several years. These are factors that can contribute to a rivalry. (1) This article ("Where Does NC State Rate as a South Carolina Rival?") presents a reasoned argument that it constitutes at least a secondary rivalry. See also (2) here and (3) here for some in-depth analyses of the series. There are also references to the series as a rivalry in mainstream media outlets. E.g., (4) Sports Illustrated here ("The University of South Carolina and North Carolina State University will renew their rivalry on the gridiron during the 2030 and 2031 football seasons."), (5) the Associated Press here ("ending a long-standing rivalry with 25 wins apiece ...In a football rivalry that began in 1900 and ended Saturday, North Carolina State’s win brought the series with South Carolina to a 25-25-4 deadlock."), (6) WIS (TV) here ("South Carolina and North Carolina State will square off renewing their storied rivalry with a pair of games to be played in 2030 and 2031."), and ~~(iv) News Break here ("South Carolina football: Gamecocks and Tar Heels renew rivalry")~~. Cbl62 (talk) 01:24, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think any of those evidence an actual rivalry. As we know from other AfD discussions, many American journalists will use the term rivalry to describe two teams playing each other in passing as opposed to describing an actual rivalry match, and none of those sources do anything to make me think these two teams treat each other as a rivalry match - all of them use the word in passing, and don't really go any further. The SI article was provided by South Carolina, the AP article is more about how the teams will move conferences after the game, and the Newsbreak article talks about a different university together (North Carolina) which also doesn't appear to be a rivalry. We need something more than a journalistic turn of phrase to get this past WP:SYNTH. SportingFlyer T·C 09:42, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Quite right on News Break. But others (including Sports Illustrated, Associated Press, and The Post and Courier) are mainstream media outlets, and the first three items do go into significant depth. As I said, I lean "keep" but this is one that could reasonably go either way. Cbl62 (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete As per UW Dawgs. MrsSnoozyTurtle 02:53, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per SportingFlyer. You think something like this would get a solid mention here, but it doesn't. Anecdotally, I'm a NC State student and I've never heard of this supposed rivalry. -Indy beetle (talk) 04:32, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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