Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mutate (Gargoyles)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Jbeach ^sup 23:44, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mutate (Gargoyles)[edit]

I nominated this article via prod for the reason: "cruft - no assertion that the subject has any importance outside of the context of the tv-show."[1] The prod was removed by an annon a few hours latter.[2]. I assert that this article is indeed unsourced, unverifiable and irredeemable fancruft. I believe this article violates one of the principles of wikipedia: We are not TV guide. In addition, it contains a lot of original research and speculation. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 01:32, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and merge any useful info. JJL 01:54, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I count exactly one out-of-universe sentence that isn't about voice actors (which totals to one sentence, and part of two other sentences). The rest is an in-world plot summary with no secondary sources to demonstrate notability. This does not inherit notability from Gargoyles (TV series). --Phirazo 03:14, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
keep- arguable, so I can see the deletion side, but they are notable enough as popular cartoon villains... maybe a sub page would be better, and some editing.JJJ999 06:28, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any secondary sources to support the fact that they are notable villains? ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 18:12, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, it's just original research. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 06:44, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. This article is probably not notable beyond the context of the television series, and it is mostly plot summary, but I do not believe that the information is unverifiable. Information not from the TV series or current comic book series was revealed by creator Greg Weisman and is taken from his website AskGreg (www.s8.org/gargolyes/askgreg/). That website was blacklisted after editors linkspammed several Wikipedia pages, and even the appropriate references were removed (the blacklisting may have been reversed since, but I am not certain). Information from this site may still count as original research within Wikipedia's guidelines (I suspect this could be argued either way), but even if that is so I would prefer to remove only the offending material and perhaps merge into another page (e.g. List of Gargoyles characters) than delete the page entirely. -- Supermorff 20:07, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That would be a primary source (perhapses) and not a secondary source. If content can't be sourced by a secondary source and it's beyond background details then often it's a sign we shouldn't be hosting the content. Adding a short mention to List of Gargoyles characters is fine... but we really shouldn't be getting into this much in-universe detail. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 23:04, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see. I think I was slightly confused as to the definition of "secondary source". But my suggestion remains: trim offending material, then at a later date merge into another appropriate article. Considering the comment below by 71.115.192.199, the appropriate article might be Gargoyle clan. -- Supermorff 11:57, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If we trimmed offending material there would be nothing left. Thats my point. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 12:00, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment There is the suggestion to move the description of the clones to the Mutates section. Maybe rename the whole page Labyrinth Clan, since it consists of the Clones and Mutates. 71.115.192.199 20:35, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.