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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete and salted.  JGHowes  talk 01:35, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mutahir Showkat

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No evidence of WP:SIGCOV in WP:RS; subject of the article badly fails WP:GNG. This article is nothing more than an extension of his marketing campaign for his two books. Every reference linked is a thinly-veiled advert for his two books. The article has been deleted twice due to concerns around the sourcing and a quick look at Talk:Mutahir Showkat shows you how desperate Showkat is to have an article on here. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 19:00, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 19:01, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 19:01, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Photography-related deletion discussions. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 19:01, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - apologies in advance to the admin that closes this discussion. If the article talk page is anything to go by, we're in for a rough ride. I have created a source assessment table which I hope people will find helpful. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 19:16, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Source assessment table:
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://kashmirpatriot.com/2021/01/26/from-hobby-to-photography-as-profession-mutahir-from-anantnag-author-two-books-on-photography/ No No Article is promotional in tone and content ~ Contains some minor biographical details ✘ No
https://www.alternatekashmir.net/2020/12/09/meet-mutahir-showkat-from-kashmir-who-published-two-books-on-photography/ No No This is a blatant advert, I don't even need to explain No ✘ No
https://therealkashmir.com/pride-of-kashmir21-year-old-well-known-photographer-mutahir-showkat-based-in-kashmir-has-authored-two-books-on-photography/ No No An advert for his 2 books, it even points you in the direction of where to buy them from No No SIGCOV ✘ No
https://www.eatnews.co.uk/article-1/20210125-1 ? So non-neutral, it makes you cringe "Mutahir Showkat is an inspiration for all the youth in Jammu and Kashmir who either gets involve in conflicts or do not dare to dream." No This is a blog, not a reliable news source No ✘ No
https://cnskashmir.in/2021/01/23/anantnag-boy-makes-his-name-among-famous-photographers-of-india/ No No Advert article has no author No No significant coverage of Showkat ✘ No
https://thevoiceofkashmir.in/at-21-qazigund-youth-pens-two-books-on-photography/ ? No No No SIGCOV ✘ No
https://www.eatnews.com/article-2/20210125-1 No No No A Chinese translation of #4 ✘ No
https://www.insidekashmir.net/focused-personality-mutahir-showkat/ No No No author for this promo interview No ✘ No
http://www.abdnews24.com/pages/posts.php?category=jandk&&postid=3884 No No No Paid-for press release identical to many of the others to the letter ✘ No
https://menafn.com/1101276357/Mutahir-Showkat-a-Photographer-from-Kashmir-valley-is-inspiring-youth-with-his-photography-skills No No This is literally marked as a press release so should be ignored from the start No ✘ No
http://beta.kashmirnewsobserver.com/trending/at-21-qazigund-youth-pens-two-books-on-photography-kno-53202 ? No No No SIGCOV ✘ No
https://foxinterviewer.com/politics/mutahir-showkat-a-well-known-photographer-trying-to-help-youth-to-learn-photography-through-his-books/ ? No Fox Interviewer is unreliable and not a reputable news source No ✘ No
https://www.quora.com/Who-is-Mutahir-Showkat No No No No, just, no ✘ No
https://theruralpress.in/chill-in-the-snow-not-switzerland-its-my-kashmir/ ? ? No Not even close to SIGCOV ✘ No
https://asianewsobserver.com/2020/12/15/at-21-qazigund-youth-pens-two-books-on-photography/ No No No Rehashing of #11 ✘ No
https://www.streettimes.in/upcomming-photographer-of-kashmir/ ? No No author again No Appears to be just an advert for his 2 books ✘ No
https://www.valleynews.in/archives/11721 ? No No More promo for his 2 books ✘ No
https://books.google.co.in/books/about/Photography_Tips_for_Beginners.html?id=bS8NzgEACAAJ&source=kp_book_description&redir_esc=y No No No This is actually just a link to buying the book ✘ No
https://www.dymocks.com.au/book/photography-tips-for-beginners-by-mutahir-showkat-9798566057286 No No No Another link to buying the book. Is this even allowed on Wikipedia? ✘ No
https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/20903567.Mutahir_Showkat No No No He has an account on Goodreads. So what? ✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.
So he has two books on Amazon... How does that make him notable? Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 19:49, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I’m the major contributor to this article, I don’t know this person personally but I came to know through news about his work done and books then I thought I should create a wikipedia article regarding this person, but when I start creating the article I came to know there was an article created before regarding this person and that was deleted so before creating article I got through the Internet and I collected the all the information about this person then I start recreating the article, and finally I published the article when everything was done, now it’s under deletion discuss, as a Wikipedian I would like to say that this article needs to be here as the mentioned person is notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nurupa (talk • contribs) 19:44, 23 March 2021 (UTC) — Nurupa (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Please can you point me in the direction of some reliable sources showing significant coverage? Thanks Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 19:46, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There are the enough sources available on internet if you will check clearly thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nurupa (talk • contribs) 20:03, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete & Salt. Thank you to Spiderone for the detailed source assessment. I largely agree with that assessment, and don't believe the subject currently meets any of the four points of WP:CREATIVE for creative professionals. It does seem as if the subject has a very vested interest in getting a page on WP, but I don't see the subject meeting notability requirements. Also, can the previous AfD discussions be added here for editors to easily access, or was the article speedied when Spiderone stated this article had been deleted twice before? --Kbabej (talk) 19:47, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Kbabej - they were both speedy deleted. First one was deleted as WP:A7 and the second one was moved to draft then deleted as WP:G11 because it was spam. I did request A7 and G11 but it was removed by Faizan, an account created this afternoon with the sole purpose of fighting to keep this article on Wikipedia. I have requested CheckUser for both of the above accounts as I believe that they are sockpuppets of the indefinitely blocked editor that created the first two spam articles for this person. Once that comes back positive, I will strike their keep votes. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 19:52, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Spiderone Thanks for the clarification! --Kbabej (talk) 19:58, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment some Wikipedia contributors want to get this article deleted only because books are available on the purchasing platforms I don’t know what kind of logic is this that books shouldn’t be available on shopping platforms if any author published a book that definitely goes on the shopping platform so it’s the silly reason to get this article deleted , Moreover the news articles attached to this article are the media source’s available in kashmir so we can’t even reject it on that base thank you.
No one is making the argument that because the subject's books are available on distribution platforms the article should be deleted. AfD nominations largely do so on the basis of notability and WP:SIGCOV in WP:RS (as the nominator stated above). --Kbabej (talk) 20:00, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
He has got published on the every source available in his region so what else we need for a notability we can get every information regarding him on every Internet platform which is totally independent like Google Knowledge Graph, all apart there are lot of news sources regarding the mentioned person, it’s not necessary that only a person who has got published on big news platforms can have WP there are lot of Indian article which even don’t have such news sources how bout those articles those articles should be deleted then the reason for putting this article under deletion is that there are some wiki users who had used name of Mutahir Showkat and have created mess. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nurupa (talk • contribs) 20:15, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Anyone can get in these newspapers if you pay enough money. It's called advertising. The articles cited are not at all written in a neutral tone and they are written for the sole purpose of promoting his two books. Many of them even contain links to where you can buy his books. Also, most of these press releases are identical so should not be considered as separate sources. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 20:21, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
So it’s the fault of the those media agencies who had published such articles and for more information on every pr article regarding to anything in the description there is mentioned that this is a pr article or tag of pr articles moreover the sources are not from the pr portals these are the real news sources of the valley, Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nurupa (talk • contribs) 20:24, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
for more check out the work done by Mutahir Showkat

Mutahir Showkat on Google Podcasts Mutahir Showkat on Apple Music Mutahir Showkat on Google Books by Mutahir Showkat Mutahir Showkat Books

Ironically, that user has just been confirmed to be a sockpuppet of the article creator, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Hums4r. I have struck their vote as I believe that using a sock to vote counts as voting twice. I have not struck the master's vote. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 16:33, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Lol i too was invited by my friend for the same i don't what is really going on this page is this jealousy or something personal so so called legit Wikipedians are trying to do.
  • Keep i don't weather my vote will be counted or considered after checking the work done by Mutahir Showkat i would recommend to keep this article, more ever i suggest this article should be improved not deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:8100:240D:F757:FAB1:FB6F:5723:ECB3 (talk) 16:44, 24 March 2021 (UTC) — Note: An editor has expressed a concern that editors have been canvassed to this discussion. [reply]
Perhaps you would like to share these sources so we can evaluate them and discuss on the evidence provided. Simply saying they exist somewhere on the internet when several other people have tried looking and failed to find anything of note. Otherwise your canvassed comment really doesn't help with the keep school. AFD is a discussion based on the inclusion policies of Wikipedia, if you can't prove they meet any of the criteria for inclusion with reliable sources then your argument will be ignored and can in fact lessen the weight of any further keep arguments as they get lost in the noise. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 15:57, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: The user Muneeb Bashir Wani recently added the following comment to Template:Canvassed/doc. I am not sure where they meant to post the message, but I thought I'd include it here as it seems like it might have been meant for this page: following strike by Netherzone, 17:09, 25 March 2021‎
    "Keep while searching about this person i accendently came across through this page, as per my opinion he is enough notable to have a Wikipedia page, so this article should be kept."
The same user previously commented in this discussion, so this shouldn't be counted as an independent !vote. Srey Srostalk 16:40, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and salt. Obvious self-promotion by blocked editor Hums4r, who I had attempted to mentor. Showkat is not notable, the sources are unreliable and clearly part of a promotional campaign. All Keep !voters should be blocked as obvious sockpuppets or meatpuppets. Fences&Windows 00:51, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and salt: Isn't there any way we can prevent this guy Hums4r from ever using wikipedia again? He keeps showing up again and again and abuse this project Kichu🐘 Need any help? 04:54, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Help I have some questions I need clarification about firstly i don’t know anything about user:Hums4r as it’s blocked already and but if we check the contributions done by user:Hums4r it were mainly done on Zeyan Shafiq, which is deleted article moreover there are some comments that this aricle Mutahir Showkat is of sp user:Hums4r I don’t know how it’s reliable that hum4r means Mutahir Showkat, Please check I don’t what had gone on WP before I don’t know why this all is going with Wp of Mutahir Showkat, it might be that they had used Mutahir Showkat’s name as a user to create their own page’s there are lot sp here who are trying to show me guilty when they are guilty, please do a quick check it might be there are some users who want to put this name Mutahir Showkat under salt, as if you can see the comments on the Discussion page For for the deletion on Mutahir Showkat are the same users who had contributed on Zeyan Shafiq article even there are some users who had took that draft of Zeyan Shafiq from draft space to main space, if user:Hums4r is guilty and I’m socket puppet of that user how these users can support me as a User:Hums4r and oppose me as user:Nurupa because you can see these users are major contributors of the articles created by user:Hums4r and now they trying to show me guilty I don’t know too much about this but please check all the user’s who had commented for deletion I feel they all are interconnected thank you.
You have already been proven guilty of sockpuppetry in this very AfD (using the Faizan account, of which the vote has now been struck) so you can stop playing the innocent victim card. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 09:30, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I supported Hums4r regarding Zeyan Shafiq and am now disappointed. Apart from that, I have no connection to Kichu or F&W. Also, re. "i don’t know anything about user:Hums4r ... support me as a User:Hums4r and oppose me as user:Nurupa" – if you claim not to be Hums4r, then it doesn't help your argument to refer to him as "me". Pelagic ( messages ) – (22:04 Tue 30, AEDT) 11:04, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete & SALT per Spiderone's source assessment. Best, GPL93 (talk) 13:43, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Per WP:GNG, subject is clearly not notable enough to deserve any space on Wikipedia. Eatcha 09:28, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete was directed here indirectly by user:Nurupa. Short of time, so I'll just acknowledge and reference the preceding deletes. It all looks like a poorly organized promotional campaign that takes no thought of actual article building concerns. The "keeps" are not based on any knowledge of our notability or sourcing requirements- merely the wish to keep this page up. There's obvious sock/meat puppetry afoot. Leave unsalted as a honeypot. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 23:47, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Nurupa not only tried to canvass me into voting here, but also messed up a legit RFP I made for a completely unrelated arcticle, placing this page inside of my request. And now this page is protected due to "Persistent disruptive editing". I know the user has been banned, but I had to mention what happened. Horcoff (talk) 18:43, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    In fairness, I thing this page is protected due to all the socks. So it's still Narupa's fault. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 18:47, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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